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Originally posted by Dr. DAS To those who have partied in lands without last call, is there a huge difference in the price of alcohol?

liquor in North America is taxed heavily. Around 80% I think. So its that much more here than it is in most other parts of the world(that I have visited).

Thats why duty free booze is so much cheaper.

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Originally posted by loca Actually the alcohol in Belgian clubs is a HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER than alcohol here.

A good example of my earlier post.... no excise taxes on alcohol and the Code Civil of Belgium does not contain articles pertaining to host liability.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS I'm sure you back up a statement like that. How do we know that it would affect insurance rates? How does this increase liability? If someone is going to drink and drive at 3am, they'll do it at 5am just the same. If anything, I would think it gives people to option to gradually maintain thier buzz, instead of getting blinding drunk so they keep it going until they leave. Smartserve rules would still apply here. To those who have partied in lands without last call, is there a huge difference in the price of alcohol?

The club is legally responsible for the patrons and how much alcohol they consume. If a bar is only serving alcohol from 10 pm till 2 am there is only a certain amount that will be served per person. If you are serving alcohol from 10 pm until 8 am then the amount served per person would increase dramatically. It is reasonable to assume that a greater number of patrons will be drinking (ie...people who show up to guv after last call at other bars). The probability of a patron leaving the bar intoxicated and doing something that the bar could be held liable for increases and therefore the business becomes a greater risk. Insurance is based on risk and if something is a greater risk its going to cost more to insure it.

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Originally posted by Zentac_75 liquor in North America is taxed heavily. Around 80% I think. So its that much more here than it is in most other parts of the world(that I have visited). Thats why duty free booze is so much cheaper.

from my experince, alcohol here is roughly the same price to where I lived (Cyprus), but UK prices still beat our prices by a mile

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew from my experince, alcohol here is roughly the same price to where I lived (Cyprus), but UK prices still beat our prices by a mile kilometre

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard A good example of my earlier post.... no excise taxes on alcohol and the Code Civil of Belgium does not contain articles pertaining to host liability.

Which makes sense IMO. You alone are responsible for what you do when you drink, not the establishment.

Essentially though i agree with what Dr. DAS and Zentac are saying... Canada is just not ready to handle that kind of freedom. And that's sad.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard We are not a free society, never endevored to be... we are a just society (or at least we try).

thats a sad statement right there...

very sad

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Unless you can document that is is policy or it is recognized in the preamble to the legislation then you are mearly posturing a theory based on anectdotal evidence.

right,and i bet you think that really low speed limits are for your safety as well.

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Originally posted by Zentac_75 Originally posted by Jayx1 My point is, last call is NOT about regulating your drinking as they claim. Its about control and revenue. All it takes is to find ONE empty beer bottle in a corner after 2:45 and the fines are unbelievable. [quote]You point makes sense. Yet I look at it from a different perspective. It is about regulation.

I agree, it IS about regulation. That is what gives them control to make money.

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Are all the anti-smoking by-laws about 'control and revenue'?

In short? Yes. The health arguement is only the lever they use to sell it to you. But it's one more way the government can control and make money.

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Alcohol is clearly one of the largest contributors to ignorant behaviour EVER!!!!

I know a lot of ignorant sober people.

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Most people are dumb. Most people NEED a governing body to tell them what they can/can't do and when they can/can't do it.

Wow, thats very dangerous. Most people dont NEED a governing body. Sadly many have now been coddled so much that they dont know how to make a good decision because they dont have to. Taking away the ability to make choice just makes a person even MORE ignorant then they would have been had they been given an education and then given the right to decide for themselves. We are adults, not children.

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You will probably disagree.

I do whole heartedly. Ive been to countries without the blatant social engineering that we inflict and the society is healthier, wiser and happier for it.

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I wish that we had more liberties. But (I'm not always this cynical) I sincerely believe that as a society, the majority can not handle it.

Maybe Canada in its present state cannot, but thats due to the dumb down effect that all these nanny laws have had on many people.

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I'm sad that I feel most people are not inteligent/capable enough to make these decisions for themselves.

Actually they are and were until trudeau started the era of socialist nanny state.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Abolishing last call on the surface may look to be good for all parties involved but there will be extra costs that will have to be incurred by the clubs which will be passed onto the customers. The cost to get insurance will sky rocket as the business becomes a bigger risk.....assuming the business can even afford the insurance anymore.

Last time i checked, insurance wasnt based on how often you opened. And if it is, then you as a business can decide when its right to close. So the government should decide because it might overwhelm the business owner to decide for himself? Come on!!

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Univeristy students will spend all their OSAP money at the bars even quicker then they do now....meaning they will either have to ask mommy and daddy for money or will have to drop out of school.

Wow, thats reaching. I guess the uni zombies have never heard of bars and pubs that are open all day because if they had dammit theyd be out there all day uncontrollably. Thank God for the government keeping this under wraps!

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Now the parents are either having to support their kids while in school or the kids get depressed because they can't go to school, have become alcoholics because of all the drinking, can't find a job because they are not qualified for any job they would be interested in. They can't pay back the government the money they owe them which then causes the Government to go further in Debt and then they raise our taxes which means we all have to dish out more money. Then all of Canada gets pissed off and revolts against the government sending us into anarchy....all this from taking away last call....just doesn't seem worth it.

LOL this is a joke right?

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Originally posted by loca Actually the alcohol in Belgian clubs is a HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER than alcohol here. And there is no last call, and people are way more responsible when it comes to drinking and driving than here. The number of times I have gone out here and seen people that were completely wasted get behind the wheel after knocking back drinks in super quick succession because they wanted to maintain the buzz till 3 (and ended up overdoing it) is insane. And i'm not talking about people i know either! I've been to Docks and a few other top 40 clubs recently and this happens all the time!

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