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| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
Its disgusts me to hear all these ignorant comments by the far left. |
Just as it disgusts me how there are ignorant comments by the "far" right. Your point, or were you just making some sweeping generalizations?
| quote: | | Back on topic... There was no point in having this troubled man speak at Columbia. He didn't answer the questions, we went around them, he just only reaffirm the fact that he got an education on another planet. How can you possibly compare the holocaust to the study of physics? How can you deny that your country does not have homosexual? |
Agreed, but wouldn't you rather want the idiot to talk and be ridiculed, or would you want to silence his voice in a place where free speech is considered one of our highest values in this country? Personally I got more out of listening to him make a fool of himself as well as dodge the rightful criticism rather than attempt to silence him outright.
| quote: | | Getting a bit off topic here... Israel is a nation that has been subject to terrorism and disruptive to its peace. Like any other nation, they have the right to defend themselves. Like the US they combat terrorism and are an ally of the US when combating terrorism and extremist groups. |
Straw man. No one is arguing this.
| quote: | Ofcourse as an ally is our duty to support them  |
Depends on what kind of support you are referring to. Don't you think that billions of dollars a year as well as pressuring the UN to look the other way on Israel's nukular capability is good enough? Not to mention the pressure we put upon the UN and other nations when they try to condemn Israel for various human rights issues (not that I don't disagree with that pressure - more often than not I do). Or do we need to jump into every fight that Israel's ultraright wing faction wants to fight with their neighbors?
| quote: | | they are the example of a democratic nation in the Middle East. As an ally, it is our duty to assist them when facing axis of evils. How in the world do you expect us not to support Israel, when specific axis of evils have called upon the destruction on the holy land? |
It appears to me (and most everyone else) that Israel has more than aptly demonstrated its capability to handle itself against its neighbors. Jumping at everything they consider "threatening", which is pretty much at all 4 corners surrounding them, AND THEN EXPECTING US to jump at those threats in the exact same identical manner as if they are on our borders AS IF TO DIRECTLY IMPLY THAT IT THREATENS OUR COUNTRIES' INTERESTS is asking a wee bit much. Israel has been involved and will continue to be involved in an endless series of wars with its neighbors over issues that bear little resemblance to our countries' most pressing issues. We cannot jump every time they want us to jump, especially when it's patently clear that they are more than capable to handle themselves (i.e. fucking armed to the teeth).
If you honestly expect us to be at an endless war with all of Israel's enemies, then you are expecting for us to be at war with Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran AT ALL TIMES STARTING YESTERDAY. Perhaps you might ask yourself why these actions haven't been taking place just yet, let alone perhaps why the Jewish culture here in our country wouldn't even support by majority an American strike against Iran (and the numbers supporting an attack are falling over time):
| quote: | Support among Jews for an American military strike against Iran has declined during the past year, according to an annual survey of American Jewish opinion released Monday.
The survey, commissioned by the American Jewish Committee, found that only 38% of American Jews support American military action, down from 49% last year.
http://www.forward.com/articles/pol...t-iran-by-isra/ |
Another example you'll be hardpressed to sell is the American people, who clearly wanted the U.S. to stay out of matters with the Israel-Hezbollah war last year:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...poll_080606.htm
And these are also telling from last year:
| quote: | "Do you think the U.S. has a responsibility to try to resolve the conflict between Israel and other countries in the Middle East, or is that not the U.S.' business?"
Has responsibility - 39%
Not the U.S.' business - 56%
Not sure - 5%
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In the current conflict, do you think the United States should take Israel's side, take the side of Hezbollah, or not take either side?
Israel's - 31%
Hezbollah's - 0%
Neither - 65%
http://www.pollingreport.com/israel.htm |
So when you're referring to fringe ideas here, one has to wonder which fringe one is referring to when discussing matters of U.S. involvement with Israel's affairs. One has to wonder who's truly pressing such matters, while other groups like the "fringe" left (i.e. majority of U.S. citizens and Jewish American culture) tends to believe those matters should be left up to Israel.
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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...
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