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| quote: | Originally posted by Dojomaster26
I gave you data. You are choosing not to accept it as fact, when Billboard is, and has been for over 50 years, the undisputed leader in reporting retail sales of records. |
Okay so let me get this straight. You're saying that because a Cascada song is #1 on the charts right now, that this is, therefore, EVIDENCE for your assertion that trance music consistently outsells house music?
(Of course, we can even try to ignore the damaging little fact that the two examples you gave are considered primarily "house" by at least one generally accepted source)
Are you for real?
| quote: | | You keep tossing the word "fact" around like you're the undisputed expert on all things EDM. Why then, o high and mighty, can't you put a single sentence of evidence from ANYWHERE to support your claims? Not even a quote from one of your heroes? |
Actually, I indicated to you right at the beginning of my last reply that I didn't believe hard numbers were necessary for every claim being made, but YOU, on the other hand, did very clearly make it known to me that any fact I reference must be supported by hard numbers.
I guess I was being naive to assume that you would at least provide the very same kind of data you were looking for from me? Instead, you give me some current popchart that has a couple "house" songs on it as proof that "silence" and "for an angel" have sold more than any house track!? All besides the point of course, that this has nothing to do with past glories as much as what the scene looks like today.
Your arguments seem to be getting more farcical by the minute.
| quote: | | I gave you proof that Trance was on the charts, now where's your proof otherwise? |
I asked you for proof of your statement that "trance" outsells "house",...not your snapshot travesty chart. Now show me the hard numbers before you make yourself look any more asinine.
| quote: | | Do you even know what a gay club is? Does the word "circuit" mean ANYTHING to you?!? |
You're gay right? So you would know?
| quote: | | Oh, and stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that Trance was the "poppiest" genre. I said it was the most popular EDM non-Hip-Hop genre in the US, and so far you've said nothing that holds any weight against that. |
First off, I don't recall my initial point being specifically for you, nevertheless, if you are going to end up saying it now, I guess it doesn't make any difference does it?
| quote: | The fact is that I DID address the points at hand, yet you choose to blow off the FACTS just for the sake of continued argument. You keep blowing smoke...we're all ears  |
All of your rubbish aside, let's talk about one fact I stated that you completely ignored:
Every fairly recent hit hiphop/pop song delivered by artists such as Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, Rihanna and Nelly Furtado (to give you a small example) has received at least several house remixes by various DJs specifically for club-friendly purposes. Can you tell me why, if trance is more popular in clubs, none of these songs are getting a trance remix?
| quote: | | Are you saying that Billboard is wrong? So find some charts to prove me wrong. |
That billboard is wrong about...., what exactly now?
| quote: | | No matter what you say isn't going to have any merit until you present some facts. That chart is accurate, whether you believe it or not. |
Did I ever say the chart wasn't accurate? Please don't confuse that with me asking you for hardcore facts (only because you demanded me to give you some to support my statement that house is far more popular in america than trance) to support your claim that trance consistently OUTSELLS house music.
| quote: | | You, however, need to re-assure yourself of your self-worth by continuing to bicker about something that in the end is not going to change anything about your music. If you have nothing more of substance to say, then I suggest you leave this thread and stop wasting your time. |
Were you thinking that I'm trying to change something about trance or house music?--other than, of course the fact that I would make both of them a lot more underground. I think you're becoming an expert at fabricating things as you go.
| quote: | | EDIT: I stick to my guns. House IS more popular in the club scene. I'm talking about sales (I thought the big font would help you notice that). Nobody in the industry gives a fuck if 10,000,000 people listened to House if the Trance records still sell more than it. |
LOL. House being more popular in the club scene is completely separate from your assertion that trance has more sales...your verbal gymnastics are outstanding.
Now as far as your claim that trance sells more records, I'm still waiting for you to give me some proof of this with some hard numbers (And don't let me have to remind you for the 50th time that your little snapshot chart with a couple house/trance songs doesn't amount to a hill of beans).
At least I offered you some logic, even if not the most statistically compelling, but you've offered neither!
Bottom Line:
Clubs play what is most popular. Since house is played more in clubs than trance is, we can reasonably deduce that house is a more popular style of EDM in America, in the very same way that hiphop’s overall popularity is reflected by how it has a dominant presence in the club scene.
*yawn*
Last edited by chadi on Jan-17-2008 at 05:54
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