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Originally posted by chinamon agreed... but the method of distribution does change the way it is stolen.

It facilitates theft, sure. But it's not an excuse or a justification for it. Technology and its role in stuff like this has led to digital content being even more fiercely protected than ever before. People who think the artists or the industry are going to back down and just hand stuff out for free are in for a surprise.

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Originally posted by Skipper It facilitates theft, sure. But it's not an excuse or a justification for it.

There it is right there. Exactly it!

That's the sad fact too many don't seem to realize!


(prolly mostly bc ppl have easily downloaded for so long w/ with no punishment whatsoever resulting from their actions!

this had led to, over time, the perception that this act of stealing (getting something for free instead of paying for it) as not being anything that is wrong in this particular context.

and, i feel, subconsciously, it then gets taken a step further past that. reasons next are now fabricated and created as to why its ok to act under this context (music, mp3s) when generally ppl do consider stealing wrong in most all cases.

Im sure a first no one saw it as justifiable or 'right.' it was just easy! wow! free music! lets do it! look how easy it is! and we're not prolly gonna get busted! how wonderfully awesome!

no one prolly tried to be all saintly about it, thinking on any level that it was moral. lawful. it was just free (and easy).


but now, years and year later, with this being such a hot topic that frequently comes up, and ppl preaching how its wrong in general, these ppl that have always done it, are now having to justify why they do it, if they admit to it to a hostile audience.

who wants to now pay for music they've easily gotten for free for years and years? no one. and, IMO, this had led to masses creating justification for why they've done it all along.

the justification came after the act was already in common practice and seen as the norm by kids and ppl (it couldnt be something crazy bad if no policeman was ever going to come to ur door to try to arrest you over it!), and NOT vice versa. IMO. . .

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Originally posted by Skipper People who think the artists or the industry are going to back down and just hand stuff out for free are in for a surprise.

dont be so sure of that.

www.qtrax.com

over 25mil songs. free and legal, paid for by advertisers. a white flag?

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Originally posted by terrytutone www.qtrax.com over 25mil songs. free and legal, paid for by advertisers. a white flag?

Pandora has been going a somewhat similar route for quite a while and has made good money from it. Last.fm just launched their commercial model as well.

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Originally posted by Irishaddict Enlighten me then.

While the POINT you are trying to get across is true, you should've used a much more comparable company/subject for arguments sake. You cant compare Car companies to music labels. time, effort, and equipment investment, is on a much larger scale,and not even in the realm of comparability.
but I understand what you where trying to get across.

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Originally posted by Orko If Steve is angry, maybe he should be angry at the very people he is trusting with the promo. They are the ones that are giving out the material they were trusted with. This is the exact same problem in the movie industry. Reviewers are given preview copies of movies, but they are the ones pirating and uploading to the net.

This to me is the crux of the problem...
If the promos were handled properly then pirating would never (or barely) be an issue.

Imo you cant really blame ppl for not wanting to spend money, especially when they don't have to!
Dude, free shit laying around online will be gobbled up by ppl no matter what action is taken.


The ppl who get the promos start the WHOLE problem.
Everyone else is just taking advantage of someone else's lack of responsibility,
and that happens in EVERY business


Again, i have no problem with saying i have never and will never pay for any electronic music i have.

Just curious...how much do artists get from online stations,

Like DI.FM?

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Originally posted by activate my point is that it's quite rediculous to compare any aspect of industry to how it was 100+ years ago.

But...it was you who stated the time quotes, not him. He merely brought up an arbitrary example of "before", and you chose to take it back to the 1900s...so....

Ultimately it really is in line with his argument. Times and the available technologies have been instrumental in forcing adaptation.

throughout history there has always been ways to get stuff cheaper, or for free.

wont change anytime soon, until some software engineer comes up with a more secure digital media format.... and then that gets cracked.


smoke a doob and chill out steve.


no sense in stressing over things you cannot control.

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Originally posted by TheVrk This to me is the crux of the problem... If the promos were handled properly then pirating would never (or barely) be an issue.

I agree with this to a certain extent, but when you're pressing a track on vinyl or having a sound engineer perfect the digital copy, there are other people involved a long the way who can make copies.

Also, promos are exactly that - promotional copies. Sales are directly influenced by the amount of exposure it gets prior to release. Unfortunately, sometimes the promo gets out too much or is too popular with big DJs that people are sick of the track by the time it is officially released. (Think: Magic M)

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Originally posted by exstasie Just curious...how much do artists get from online stations, Like DI.FM?

$0 - it is promotion however.

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Originally posted by terrytutone fans of house music dont seem to want to pay for anything. they want the music for free and then when the parties roll around they wanna get comped too. they dont show any real love besides self proclomations on message boards. even worse, the djs dont want to pay for shit either. they just steal all the music off soulseek and go out into the clubs with it. its such a joke when you see these nothing djs playing up front music that you know they cant legitimately acquire.

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