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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Listen I have a friend who just graduated Aerospace Engineering at the University of Toronto.

omg why didn't you say so!
well i'm sold

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 We're only really talking at each other anyway...one side is not going to get through to the other.

You're right.
I don't suspect anything less than a hammer over your head will get through that tinfoil.

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Originally posted by DigiNut [COLOR=#99CCEE]Evidence of what? Calling that evidence of sentient aliens is no different from calling it evidence of ESP when I ask you to pick a card and then I find it again after reshuffling the deck. It's evidence of something out of the ordinary, perhaps, but you don't necessarily know what. Simply because you don't know how the trick is done does not mean that whatever cockamamie theory you come up with is somehow plausible. And again, you don't even have a theory here; your theory is "it's aliens", which is equivalent to saying that the card trick is "magic". What aliens? Who? Why? How? Must be at least 10 times people have asked you this and you still haven't come up with any sort of answer. COLOR]

Why must we know who, why, and how before we can acknowledge that there are unexplained objects flying around in our skies and around our planet in space at sizes and speeds far greater than our own technology permits.

The fact is that is an unending supply of video footage that indicates the presence of flying objects is available to look at, shot by both governments and civilians and there are hundred eye witness testimonies from a wide range of backgrounds who have testified on this matter. I recently discovered that Jimmy Carter saw a UFO in the early 70s and is the reason why he wanted to declassify everything. Hmm...that man became President. Was he a looney too?

But then you just go and name call again. We really get nowhere.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie omg why didn't you say so! well i'm sold You're right. I don't suspect anything less than a hammer over your head will get through that tinfoil.

you see this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You'll never be sold because it doesn't matter how many experts, ex pilots, scientists or whatever come forward or give their opinions, people like you then become the ones with "tin foil" on your head.

Do you know anything about Aerospace Engineering? Hmm...I didn't thik so.

Since when is EVERYONE that has any kind of opinion on this matter so full of shit or crazy?

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Originally posted by evil_cookie

Really?is that your answer to this topis??that we are just a bunch of crazy conspiracy people?simply because we ask question?fuckin pathatic honestly.


Just whats is so damn undreal about all those footages?all we have provided here are just theories and ideas on this discussions and all we get is bashing and name callings simply because some of us view things differently from others.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 you see this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You'll never be sold because it doesn't matter how many experts, ex pilots, scientists or whatever come forward or give their opinions , people like you then become the ones with "tin foil" on your head. Do you know anything about Aerospace Engineering? Hmm...I didn't thik so.

I don't give a flying fuck about peoples opinions—and that is all you have, is a bunch of fucking opinions. My only interest is in mutually consistent, empirical, observed, objective, unbiased, and impartial consensus.

You bring up science yet you understand nothing of it.

thank you trancer.

See this goes back to what we were talking about earlier. Are we even ready for this possible revelation? You have to wonder if some of us are really mentally capable of accepting the idea that aliens exist because the name calling and insinuation of stupidity in the face of everything that's been posted here (and lots of other places) here is surprising.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie I don't give a flying fuck about peoples opinions—and that is all you have, is a bunch of fucking opinions. My only interest is in mutually consistent, empirical, observed, objective, unbiased, and impartial consensus. You bring up science yet you understand nothing of it.

opinions from the type of people that we would trust on most other issues! Since NASA refuse to comment on their own footage and decline to provide an explanation, shouldn't you be faulting THEM for what you are accusing me of? They are hardly being observant or objective but when I suggest a theory that DOES have an abundance of visual and testimonial evidence that at the very least suggests we should start thinking about this seriously, you post pictures of retards and name call.

It's ridiculous and childish. Why do you fear possibilites and that which we can't seem to explain?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 opinions from the type of people that we would trust on most other issues!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Listen I have a friend who just graduated Aerospace Engineering at the University of Toronto.

argumentum ad verecundiam

god if I had to identify all the fallacies in this thread...

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 It's ridiculous and childish. Why do you fear possibilites and that which we can't seem to explain?

This is why I can't take you seriously; it’s like talking to a wall. You keep saying the same shit dude. I HAVE NEVER DISMISSED THE POSSIBILITY of intelligent life outside our world. In fact, if you actually read my previous posts, I mentioned that probability would suggest that it’s more likely than not—that there is IL out there.

THE PROBLEM IS: you are so adamant on mixing this possibility with conspiracy theories like: human contact with aliens and government cover-ups etc…In short, you speak as though its more than a likelihood, where in fact, it’s not—if you scrutinize the issue using science in the systematic approach that it is supposed to be used in, you must inevitably YEILD TO A STANCE OF SCEPTICISM.

Please tell me you understand the difference now—I’m not dismissing anything, but you’re arriving at FALSE CONCLUSIONS based on mere ASSUMPTIONS.

More Disclosure from Buzz Aldrin who was the astronaut from Apollo 11 mission.





Here is the famous "UFO out of the blue" docummantry,by far one of the best ones out there.

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This is worse than those 9/11 arguments.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur This is worse than those 9/11 arguments.

Of course it is because 9/11 was an obvious inside job.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 What else could it all be? Nobody ever has an answer, but many are quick to laugh off the thought of other civilisations out there in all of those billions of stars whose end we can't even come close to seeing. We have craft in space already. What might we be able to do in say, 1000 years? Why is it so hilarious to some of you drones?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 There are so many clips out there, too, of military and civilian jets being followed by things that they clearly cannot identify. If it isn't intelligent life tracking our space shuttles and aircraft, then what are they? In some cases, the ONLY logical conclusion is that these are things with some kind of intelligence.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 but I have given samples of evidence here. Footage that you yourself cannot hope to explain, but you are sure to say "THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY THEY'RE ALIENS THOUGH! IT'S INPLAUSIBLE!" Well...the way they move (which is what I had been asking earlier) is what makes them look like CRAFT and since we do not have any craft that are 2 miles long and travel at those speeds, then whose fucking CRAFT are they?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 But that's the thing. I'm wondering why people are so sure and quick to say they aren't alien craft. By looking at that footage, the most plausible explanation to my eyes, and to many others, is that those are craft moving around the lightning storm, the tether and MIR. Nobody has provided a better guess at what they might be, except "ice debris". They are moving at incredible speeds, appearing, disappearing, reappearing and changing directions in ways that our technology could never hope to achieve.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 "Listen, whatever those things are, I can't explain them. We don't have anything that can reach those speeds and maneuvre like that, especially in space. I'm not one to believe in government coverups, but my best guess based on those images are that they are vehicles. We aren't able to construct any vehicles for space flight at anywhere NEAR that size. The cost in fuel alone would be astronomical and there are dozens of them in some of the images. This film leaves me at a loss as to what to say. They aren't ours and now I really want to know who's they are and how they do it. That's my honest answer."

So his answer is, 'i have no clue what they are'. How do you not see that? He does not say they are aliens, he just does not know what they are.

The exact same argument the entire thread. 'These things cannot be explained, so it is aliens'. That is not how proof works, and that is not how science works. Proof is not a lack of evidence to the contrary.

Please read what you write, and think about what you are asking of us. You are asking us to believe in the absence of proof.