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Originally posted by Clovis Thats impossible for anyone to answer with fact.

If it's impossible then why do you seem to be arguing that Tiesto is not successful because he does not love what he's doing?

All I see here is a difference of opinion on what some people would want to look like if they became 'successful'. For me, I wouldn't mind becoming hugely popular because then I would be able to play the music I love to as many people as possible. I would hope that I would never let myself start pumping out pop crap just because it sells more. If I got big doing my thing, I would keep doing my thing, not do everyone else's thing just to get even bigger.
I can understand that Clovis would never want to be Tiesto however that doesn't mean that Tiesto doesn't view his music and 'success' the same way Clovis would his own.
As far as judging Tiesto's consistency by comparing his music now with his music 10 years ago or even 5 years ago doesn't really hold up because trance isn't the same as it was it has changed and from what I've seen, Tiesto has changed WITH it. As Fledz pointed out other artists like Armin, Oakie etc have ventured into some really weird areas of music drastically drifting from what they've always done. I agree with Fledz that of all the superstars, everything I hear from Tiesto maintains the vibe and soul that he's always had. If you go see Tiesto, you're going to get Tiesto. If you go see Armin or Oakie, you never know what you're gonna get.

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Originally posted by ohbeone If it's impossible then why do you seem to be arguing that Tiesto is not successful because he does not love what he's doing? All I see here is a difference of opinion on what some people would want to look like if they became 'successful'. For me, I wouldn't mind becoming hugely popular because then I would be able to play the music I love to as many people as possible. I would hope that I would never let myself start pumping out pop crap just because it sells more. If I got big doing my thing, I would keep doing my thing, not do everyone else's thing just to get even bigger. I can understand that Clovis would never want to be Tiesto however that doesn't mean that Tiesto doesn't view his music and 'success' the same way Clovis would his own. As far as judging Tiesto's consistency by comparing his music now with his music 10 years ago or even 5 years ago doesn't really hold up because trance isn't the same as it was it has changed and from what I've seen, Tiesto has changed WITH it. As Fledz pointed out other artists like Armin, Oakie etc have ventured into some really weird areas of music drastically drifting from what they've always done. I agree with Fledz that of all the superstars, everything I hear from Tiesto maintains the vibe and soul that he's always had. If you go see Tiesto, you're going to get Tiesto. If you go see Armin or Oakie, you never know what you're gonna get.

Tiesto is successful by many people's measure of success (and probably he is own). He is not successful at all in terms of what I deem "success" is. He is not my idea of success.

Thats all there is to say really. I never argued that he isn't successful by most people's definition, I just said that MY idea of success is vastly different, thats why I always take issue with people saying "don't bash him for being successful".

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Tiesto is successful by many people's measure of success (and probably he is own). He is not successful at all in terms of what I deem "success" is. He is not my idea of success. Thats all there is to say really. I never argued that he isn't successful by most people's definition, I just said that MY idea of success is vastly different, thats why I always take issue with people saying "don't bash him for being successful".

But that's just my point. You have an idea of what success would look like for you. In that respect his success is not at all like your success. But if you think of success as 'achieving your goals and being absolutely satisfied and passionate about what you do from day to day' then success as it applies to you OR him would be the same.
It comes down to something that can't necessarily be defined or judged by anyone but yourself. Which even means that those who say 'don't dog Tiesto because of his success'...well...what if he really isn't happy? What if he's actually really sick of playing Addagio? What if there's tracks he wants to play and places he wants to go but he can't because he's on his managing teams leash? In that sense, he really isn't successful. Anyway...enough of this crap...it's been beaten to death now lol.
I don't think I've ever actually addressed the real thread subject. I agree that Tiesto is big because of great marketing. He's a great product. But he also plays great music which appeals to many who aren't fooled by what's popular and what everyone else is buying. The bandwagon.

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Originally posted by ohbeone But he also plays great music which appeals to many who aren't fooled by what's popular and what everyone else is buying. The bandwagon.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis

I thought that came out funny. I guess IMO he has mass appeal. His sound is mainstream enough for those who don't know any better to like but the stuff he plays is also good enough for those who have been into the style for a long time. At least that's how I see it. As I said before, his style reminds me of the Oakenfold I grew to love in the late 90's. Oakie today, one mix I hear is stellar the next is full boring poppy cookie cutter stuff. I could be totally ignorant as I don't hear everything Tiesto drops but, if the ISOS series is something to go by, I do like that.

this was pretty lame
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDim8vbfJAlink

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Originally posted by smekzg this was pretty lame http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDim8vbfJAlink

I almost went up to see him there.

Why was it bad? I heard it was pretty damn good.

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well.. he didnt play any of his big ones

no adaigo, no traffic no flight

only some random remix of lethal industry, and the music in general was pretty cheesy.

it was ok, but ive seen some way better sets by him

go to veoh.com and search tiesto mix 1-6.
of course, tzhey have banned all countries of the world except for USA and UK(COMMUNISTS!) so you need to use proxy.

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Will grab the set now

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Originally posted by Tetraflux I do still play trance daily but normally nothing beyond late 03.

i'm interested... are there a lot of people like you and me remaining?

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox i'm interested... are there a lot of people like you and me remaining?

Yes, only for non goa/psy its 1995 (classic trance ftw).

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Originally posted by ohbeone If you go see Armin or Oakie, you never know what you're gonna get.

I can't speak about Oakie as I've only seen him twice quite a few years back but its safe to say that of all the DJs out there, probably across all genres, if there was one DJ that you always know what to expect, its Armin.

This is not a criticism or compliment, merely fact.

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