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Originally posted by SuperJimbo O'Neil is too old and fragile and not worth the money. Trade him.

He's only 30 years old. As for too fragile? We'll see at the end of the season how many games he actually plays for the team. Right now he helps Bosh and Bargnani out a lot down low so trading him wouldn't be that good of a move.

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Originally posted by elFreak i did not know you where black yohan.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH He's only 30 years old. As for too fragile? We'll see at the end of the season how many games he actually plays for the team

Um, no, nice try.

04-05 - 44 games
05-06 - 51 games
06-07 - 69 games
07-08 - 42 games

Career average minutes per game: 28.2 (averaging 28.7 this year and last)

Salary 2009: $21,372,000 !!!!!!!!!

I just don't see how evaluating our players right now is the right thing to do. Get us a new coach, with a new system and then see what pieces are missing or in abundance. The players aren't listening (ie bosh not going to sam's huddle during a timeout a few games back), so of course they'll look bad on the court. And by looking bad on the court all of their trade value drops, so we won't be getting fair exchange. Besides, we have the league minimum for the number of players on our roster right now, and limited cap space so what are we expecting to do? Trade 3:1, and draw off the D-League, destroying what's left of our already limited depth? Or trade integral pieces like Jose or Bosh to bring in depth and no firepower?

This was the biggest problem with bringing in JO in the offseason, it left us no wiggle-room under the cap, and with a player who by all accounts was the best trade we had available by the numbers, was a huge risk by the medical reports.

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Originally Posted by infinity HiGH They should know how to win games and take advantages of mismatches; but do they? (Outside of Bosh or O'Neal, of course)

here's the thing, our team is chalk full of shooters. Kapono, Bargs, Parker, Jose are all deadly from range. It's their game. But players like that need to be freed up with plays to be effective. Look at all the greats who's game was like that. Reggie, Rice, RIP, Allen. Each one needs help to run off screens to free themselves, and POW! All the sudden they look amazing, not because they're recklessly attacking the rim with handles beyond their skillset, but by playing to their strengths. So why not add another play to our immense list of pick and roll and pick and pop? Why not set 2 of our 7 footers at the elbows and run kapono or parker off double screens to free up jumpers? Plays like this is what RIP lived for with Chauncey running the show in Detroit, and where he's made his living. Catch and shoots like that will put them in rhythm and they'll make more than they miss, I guarantee it [when I play, I've built my game and modeled it after RIP, deadly from range and fills the lanes attacking the basket]. Why not? Cuz Sam isn't an x's and o's guy. Not everyone is built to break down someone one-on-one, but it doesn't mean they don't belong on the court.

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Originally posted by slingshot Kapono is one of the best, if not the best shooter in the nba....

I am soooooooooooo sick of people saying this. Fack!!!!!!

Kapono will never be a starter in the NBA because he is not big enough, not fast enough, nor athletic enough to defend any opposing starter.

As a second string guy he is being overpaid.

There are probably lots of guys out there that can defend with slightly lower shooting percentages.

It is time for him to go. Think about it. Honestly.

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo I am soooooooooooo sick of people saying this. Fack!!!!!! Kapono will never be a starter in the NBA because he is not big enough, not fast enough, nor athletic enough to defend any opposing starter. As a second string guy he is being overpaid. There are probably lots of guys out there that can defend with slightly lower shooting percentages. It is time for him to go. Think about it. Honestly.

And he has really been inconsistent off the bench. One game he puts in jumpers like it's a fire sale, next game, he's throwing igloos

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Um, no, nice try. 04-05 - 44 games 05-06 - 51 games 06-07 - 69 games 07-08 - 42 games Career average minutes per game: 28.2 (averaging 28.7 this year and last)

So what? The first 2 he might've had some bad injuries but 69 out of 82 is not bad and last year was a write-off for Indiana. There's more to it than just him being fragile in those stats Are you gonna tell me people should give up on Elton Brand or Amare Staudemire because of a season or 2 of missed time?

Like I said before: we'll see how many games he plays this year for us.

Look at what Kapono did in Miami under Pat Riley...look at what he did in the playoffs last year. The guy can play when in the right system. In theory you would think that this would be the right system with so much attention being drawn to Bosh and O'Neal down low that the wings would be left with tons of opportunities....but I guess not (see the points Andy posted above as to why this is the case). Look at Popovich teams, look at Jackson teams, look at Pat Riley teams....these coaches get production out of everybody. This is what good coaches do....and what makes teams good. It's what takes them from middle of the pack to contenders. Look at where we stand with the Raptors.

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Originally posted by slingshot Look at what Kapono did in Miami under Pat Riley...look at what he did in the playoffs last year. The guy can play when in the right system.

THANK YOU!

Anyone who plays under Riley has to be able to defend. Defense is nothing more than moving your feet aggressively enough to keep you between the man and the bucket. It's hard, thankless work, and there's no stat that'll tell you how many times a player kept his man in front and forced him into a contested shot, or to give up the ball, but it literally is half the game.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH So what? The first 2 he might've had some bad injuries but 69 out of 82 is not bad and last year was a write-off for Indiana. There's more to it than just him being fragile in those stats Are you gonna tell me people should give up on Elton Brand or Amare Staudemire because of a season or 2 of missed time? Like I said before: we'll see how many games he plays this year for us.

There are very few players in the league worth $21 million per year, and NONE that average less than 30 minutes a game.

Jermaine O'Neil's contract is an anchor and a joke.

Watching him gimp around on those wobbly knees and ankles does not give me any confidence whatsoever.

Everything about him is painful to watch.

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Um, no, nice try. 04-05 - 44 games 05-06 - 51 games 06-07 - 69 games 07-08 - 42 games Career average minutes per game: 28.2 (averaging 28.7 this year and last) Salary 2009: $21,372,000 !!!!!!!!!

yeah, but it comes off the books after that...precisely when the Raps need to resign Bosh and lure in another free agent (hopefully). Even next year, it makes JO valuable as trade bait to another team looking to shed salary.

I don't think acquiring him was ever primarily about helping the Raps right now. Whatever he gives that year (and maybe next) is a bonus. I wouldn't be surprised if he was traded THIS year.

SHAWN MARION, PLEASE!

Miami is shopping him. One rumour was Parker + one of Moon/Graham for him, but the salaries don't work, so I don't know where that came from. But if the Raps move Jermaine, a larger deal would work. Miami has plenty of guards (apparently shopping Marcus Banks too) and they need a legit C to play with Haslem until Anthony matures.

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Marion is the defender and rebounder the Raps *clearly* need right now (he provides blocks too) and he's a great fit, IMHO.

Marion still has plenty of game...I think he's just suffering in the Miami's DWade system as he doesn't have a true PG playing with him, as he did in Phoenix with Nash. He doesn't really create his own scoring chances, but that would change with Jose and he wouldn't be expected to be a primary scoring option anyway.

Hire Flip Saunders and bring in Marion!