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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I have the only kind of net connection available in my apartment complex, some shitty DSL. Not everybody can get or afford a fancy-pants connection. Also embeds make the thread unnecessarily long.

i think there should be an option for removing embeds like there is for removing images in the TA forum options

(Did this topic explode or what....?)

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I never get why people always think that Jam & Spoon is trance exclusive group. Sure they did two good trancy remixes of Age of Love but they have always been leaning on the pop stuff (Stella, Right in the night, Ange) and even their later stuff such as Tripomatic Fairytales 3003 have never been especially trance-oriented. It's the same with Mauro Picotto. You are just ignorant if you consider him being a trance producer. Just look at he was doing before and after producing Komodo, Proximus etc.

Most weren't exclusive making one genre: eg Sequential One, DJ Hooligan, BBE, Faithless, Scooter.....
But it can be you just like them because of what they made in one specific genre.
Jam & Spoon's masterpiece IMO was certainly trance & hardtrance (not most successful though):

Link as requested...: Jam & Spoon - Follow Me

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Originally posted by PETRAN OMG is this a remix of that 80s Yello synth-pop hit!? Haha raped. By the way i like how some of these older pumpin euro-trance tracks had those "bladerunner-ish melodies" and "action-sci-fi-movie-style themes" lol.

I guess you never heard of the Hands On Yello project, more rapes...but check the names:
http://www.discogs.com/release/49798

Cosmic Baby, Westbam, Jens, Oliver Lieb, Grid, Plutone, Ilsa Gold, Hardsequencer, Carl Cox, Carl Craig, The Orb, Moby.


Another one from Jam & Spoon:
Link: Jam & Spoon - Hands On Yellow - You Gotta Say Yes To Another Excess- Great Mission (Haus Mix)

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Originally posted by nefardec yeah, but who makes trance? it's PEOPLE, and increasingly it's the fans and those who grew up listening to the real stuff, and then listening to simulations of the real stuff, and then simulations of the simulations, etc...

QFTW

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The main reasons i stopped listening to trance last year was because of all electroish (nintendo blip blop) & tech trance that was released, all my favorite producers started to produce this & i rarely found anything that was worth listening to anymore. Today i listen to maybe 5-10 % electronic music, i discovered metal & rock instead.

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Originally posted by trancedanne The main reasons i stopped listening to trance last year was because of all electroish (nintendo blip blop) & tech trance that was released, all my favorite producers started to produce this & i rarely found anything that was worth listening to anymore. Today i listen to maybe 5-10 % electronic music, i discovered metal & rock instead.

surely there are still loads of supersaws and angelic vocals on ASOT?

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Originally posted by RebeL9 surely there are still loads of supersaws and angelic vocals on ASOT?

yeah so i guess thats what im after then?

Single-mindedness, trance-centrism, obsessive fixation with the genre and the scene, excessive genre-listening. I think things like these are all part of the disease. There are people who listen to asot just to get bored and complain every week rather than branching out and listening to something completely different. Because they are more interested in adhering to something, and in the feeling of belonging, than they are in music. The genre-scene-community thinking overshadows the individual's relation to the music. Then comes the sudden realization that the shit is boring and people make a big deal out of it only because they thought trance was the best thing out there, and that is probably the fundamental problem to begin with. You can only blow a bubble that big before it bursts.

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Originally posted by SMC Single-mindedness, trance-centrism, obsessive fixation with the genre and the scene, excessive genre-listening. I think things like these are all part of the disease. There are people who listen to asot just to get bored and complain every week rather than branching out and listening to something completely different. Because they are more interested in adhering to something, and in the feeling of belonging, than they are in music. The genre-scene-community thinking overshadows the individual's relation to the music. Then comes the sudden realization that the shit is boring and people make a big deal out of it only because they thought trance was the best thing out there, and that is probably the fundamental problem to begin with. You can only blow a bubble that big before it bursts.

This is a nice post. Although i don't think that the factors you list are only fundamental to trance. It happens unfortunately with all forms of music. This is one of the things that makes me extremely angry.I guess that i was one of those hipsters a few years ago (probablt when i was a teenager or something), but when i look at it now i laugh at my past self. The blind worshipping ("adhering" as you say)of one specific (sub-)genre of music. I don't know why, but all those teenage-minded hipsters can f*ck off!

^ I agree with you, SMC.

What's more annoying than anything about some trancers is the way they single-mindedly promote their genre as they slate or ignore anything that might be done in house, techno, dubstep, or even outside of EDM entirely. I think what will really revitalize any "scene" is if its members try and celebrate (and play!) good music wherever they find it rather than limiting themselves to stuff that has a certain set of familiar sounds and a familiar genre tag. Of course all genres can have this problem, but I think that genres with a disproportionate number of "newbies" (like mainstream trance today IMO) can especially fall prey to it.

One thing that promotes this narrow-minded attitude, though, is DJs who play only one or two genres. The DJs cater to the narrow-mindedness of their fans, who in turn seek out only DJs who will please their narrow-minded tastes. It's a feedback loop.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles One thing that promotes this narrow-minded attitude, though, is DJs who play only one or two genres. The DJs cater to the narrow-mindedness of their fans, who in turn seek out only DJs who will please their narrow-minded tastes. It's a feedback loop.

Ugh oh, the "I get bored of any one genre after about 30 minutes of listening" crowd is fighting back.

Sorry but what the hells wrong with primarily listening to one genre? Maybe those dj's simply prefer spinning that one/two genres? Who says they have to spin everything.

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Originally posted by PETRAN This is a nice post. Although i don't think that the factors you list are only fundamental to trance. It happens unfortunately with all forms of music. This is one of the things that makes me extremely angry.I guess that i was one of those hipsters a few years ago (probablt when i was a teenager or something), but when i look at it now i laugh at my past self. The blind worshipping ("adhering" as you say)of one specific (sub-)genre of music. I don't know why, but all those teenage-minded hipsters can f*ck off!

Yes, of course. I wanted to mention these things aren't unique to the trance following, but i thought it was pretty obvious. These phenomenons can be observed in relation to certain other genres as well. It has more to do with the persons than the music. It's adolescent single-mindedness.

However... i still think it's all a bit more 'the case' with trance, or some other dance music, because of the nature of the music and how it is delivered. Dance music is already unvaried as it is. The teenage metalhead is probably (undeliberately) a tad more eclectic than the teenage armin-fanatic.