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zydus
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Toronto
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| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
1) if someone is raised in a faith, they can choose what their belief is as an adult. parents will be upset but will live with it.
on the other hand,
2) if someone is raised with no beliefs, then its hard to say "hey listen..there's a supreme being called God...we practice this faith...you should try it"
3) most of you that are bitching about religious people, as many of you have mentioned, were never told about the possibility of the existence of God and would never dream about joining a faith anytime in your life...just think about it...
4) this is the reason you bitch at those who have faith |
1) Parents AND other people of the same faith. Heck, in some fundamentalist countries, this could get you killed all in the name of the all loving, benevolent, supreme being.
2) However, if there was evidence that this supreme being exists, everyone would believe in him/her. As of right now, the people of "faith" can't even decide who's God is the correct God (monotheistic religions). <--- Someone's retort will be their holy book says love all humans, don't harm others and maybe even all religions are equal. Somewhere that same book will say that the God it is talking about is the only true God.
3) What will joining a faith give us that not being in a faith hasn't?
4) We don't bitch at those who have faith. We say
"You're probably wrong".
As far as religion being the basis of morality...here is a good quote
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
--Albert Einstein
And lastly to all the people of faith:
"You already know what it's like to be an atheist. You're an atheist in regards to Zeus, Apollo, Krishna, Ganesh and every other god throughout history. We just take it a few gods further."
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Skipper
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Registered: May 2002
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| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
if someone is raised in a faith, they can choose what their belief is as an adult. parents will be upset but will live with it.
on the other hand, if someone is raised with no beliefs, then its hard to say "hey listen..there's a supreme being called God...we practice this faith...you should try it"
most of you that are bitching about religious people, as many of you have mentioned, were never told about the possibility of the existence of God and would never dream about joining a faith anytime in your life...just think about it...
this is the reason you bitch at those who have faith |
woah, I don't think anyone is bitching, at least I'm not.
But to suggest that religion imposed on a child from birth is something that can be shrugged off with a simple decision as an adult ignores the piles and piles of evidence about how children absorb things, how vulnerable their minds are to any influence, positive or negative. Experiences as a child shape an entire life, and to decide that your child is going to believe in this or that before they are even born, before they can think critically about it, well you're basically imposing that viewpoint on them as a starting ground instead of letting them be unbiased and make a decision as an adult from an unbiased viewpoint.
| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
on the other hand, if someone is raised with no beliefs, then its hard to say "hey listen..there's a supreme being called God...we practice this faith...you should try it"
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Why is it hard? If it's hard to believe as an adult, an adult with critical reasoning skills and common sense, then that says a lot about whatever you are trying to preach.
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Jan-30-2009 01:47
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yankeeBaby
Keepin it real....
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Upper West Side NYC
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| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
most of you that are bitching about religious people, as many of you have mentioned, were never told about the possibility of the existence of God and would never dream about joining a faith anytime in your life...just think about it...
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absolutely NOT the case. I was born in a STRICT irish-catholic family. 3+ hours every sunday going to church and school, 6 hour confirmation classes for a year, mother hounding me about the rules of the lord (no premarital sex, etc), etc....it was POUNDED into me.
Yet I still find so many loopholes, unanswered questions, inconsistencies, subjectivity and falsehoods about religion. Not to mention it is so hard for me to believe in religion in general; it has been the source of so much pain, war, violence and destruction. It was always hard for me to be positive about something that I see as the source of much negativity in the world.
Just my opinion (no need for a WAR over everyone else's opinion on religion, I am simply stating that in MY experience, growing up with something "forced" upon you does not necessarily mean that one will grow old and accepting of this exact views, nor will people how have had little religious background not grow to be believers....)
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Jan-30-2009 02:21 
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Inrush
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Registered: Nov 2008
Location: Kitchener
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Jan-30-2009 04:03
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