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Originally posted by Domesticated Where did you get the concept that "idea = order"?

that's not what i was saying.

what i am saying is, the idea of '1' and the idea of '2' are just as real as an apple or an orange, whether you believe that ideas are located in the electrical-chemical processes of a brain or a superimplicate order of vibrational energy in a holographic universe or that god invented math.

1 always goes before 2 if you are counting up.

I thought this would be a good place to ask as any, as I'm not too well versed in Quantum Phyisics- what do you make of the double slit experiment..it's a bit hazy to me, but from what I remember, the results of the experiment was altered by the installation of an obervational mechanism. Essentially the electrons being fired through the slits behaved very differently when observable.

I saw this on a comic called Dr. Quantum by Fred Alan Wolf I think.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi I thought this would be a good place to ask as any, as I'm not too well versed in Quantum Phyisics- what do you make of the double slit experiment..it's a bit hazy to me, but from what I remember, the results of the experiment was altered by the installation of an obervational mechanism. Essentially the electrons being fired through the slits behaved very differently when observable. I saw this on a comic called Dr. Quantum by Fred Alan Wolf I think.

didn't they end up in another universe or something?

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi I thought this would be a good place to ask as any, as I'm not too well versed in Quantum Phyisics- what do you make of the double slit experiment..it's a bit hazy to me, but from what I remember, the results of the experiment was altered by the installation of an obervational mechanism. Essentially the electrons being fired through the slits behaved very differently when observable. I saw this on a comic called Dr. Quantum by Fred Alan Wolf I think.

basically the act of observation collapses the wavefunction

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi I thought this would be a good place to ask as any, as I'm not too well versed in Quantum Phyisics- what do you make of the double slit experiment..it's a bit hazy to me, but from what I remember, the results of the experiment was altered by the installation of an obervational mechanism. Essentially the electrons being fired through the slits behaved very differently when observable. I saw this on a comic called Dr. Quantum by Fred Alan Wolf I think.

i don't understand your question lol


are you asking what it was?

basically it split a beam of electrons and the electrons appeared wherever the scientists, as observers, expected them to appear

lol, i guess zild and i have created a sort of quantum double post

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Originally posted by nefardec that's not what i was saying. what i am saying is, the idea of '1' and the idea of '2' are just as real as an apple or an orange, whether you believe that ideas are located in the electrical-chemical processes of a brain or a superimplicate order of vibrational energy in a holographic universe or that god invented math. 1 always goes before 2 if you are counting up.

...but the concept of '1' and '2' are human constructs designed to help us cope with our environment. How can you possibly argue that ideas have more credence than sheer physicality, and everything that exists at a sub-atomic level?

Strachan was right, nothing is actually 'the same'; probably not even atoms themselves. Therefore, there is no such thing as 'order'.

i wrote something incredibly long and I realized it wasn't making sense.

You guys (and women?) ever think that our previous universe's inhabitants were overambitious in their attempt to conquer its mysteries? Perhaps building a device or incredibly massive tool, hidden underneath a cover of mountains in a beautiful section near Geneva which opened a black hole which consumed their galaxy? However, because of the INCREDIBLE abundance of oxygen fuel located on Earth, this black hole grew faster than any black hole ever seen, swallowing galaxy after galaxy. It grows to want more helium, more hydrogen, more more more, more power. Until, it exhausts everything to swallow. The horizons begin to swallow each other, much like a man eating his own face. It collapses into a singularity, until its density has reached the maximum (the entire universe compacted to the size of a US nickel) and boom, a big bang.

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Originally posted by Zild basically the act of observation collapses the wavefunction

Yeah, basically when 2 slits are fired through it acted like a wavefunction, and this function was cancelled when observed as you said.

I was wondering, how is the act of just observing something able to cancel out the wave function... Or is this nothing significant at all.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit i wrote something incredibly long and I realized it wasn't making sense.

this is how its done, ********!!

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi Yeah, basically when 2 slits are fired through it acted like a wavefunction, and this function was cancelled when observed as you said. I was wondering, how is the act of just observing something able to cancel out the wave function... Or is this nothing significant at all.

because the mathematics deals with this as a probability, but when you take a measurement you get a discrete value not a probabality

might read up on uncertainty

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