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Originally posted by R!CH others will have their night ruined when the production isn't the most grandiose. one has to wonder, why is it you can't enjoy the music for what it is without the biggest and tallest lighting rig possible?

Because I'm paying $60+ to see the DJs I like play 1 - 1.5 hours... If the prices were more reasonable, I wouldn't need to bitch... But for the "pricing of the talent" not being along the lines of AVB & Tiesto cost... I should expect the best production...

Hell, even Dyloot said it in the BayRaves boards (I wanted to see how much heat the lineup was getting from actual ravers)...
"The line-up is very diverse but to me it's all about the show!
You all saw how amazing POP looked.... just wait. THE LOVE IS ALMOST HERE.... "
http://www.brproductions.net/forums...ic=19455&st=240

so to sum it up... whats left to justify the cost to the consumer if the line up isn't full of extremely expensive talent? i would think the production value...

Either way I'm going to the After Party, but at least we can let off some steam and just enjoy it for what it is when it comes around in less than 2 months... hell, I paid that much, I should be able to... lol

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on a different note:

Dont quote me me i was told Benny is at ruby for those of you that were asking. I dont trust the person who said this to be all that right but we will see....

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maybe, Benny will be in the states Sept-October and he has been at Love weekend most years and did ruby october 07

so its possible.

one thing that hasnt been brought up is that with Nocturnal(henry, spill the beans...) the weekend before in socal, that some of those artists could have been booked for SF the following weekend. (dan+glaude did, but those guys are mid level guys)

1 more big trance act(ferry) and a top house act like Luke or Dragan and perhaps there would be more satisfaction with the lineup...

but as henry stated "there is a heavy name" left( Legout?)

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Originally posted by henryv yes and it's a heavy name.

heavy name? when will it be announced?

One dimensional because people know what they like and have come to expect a certain type of talent from Skills/Spundae? I go clubbing to hear new tracks all the time and walk out early because the DJs (or PA) is terrible. Anyone can get on stage and play tunes, but few have proper track selection, volume, and EQing to make it right.

Which is my segway to your comment about AvB and Menno...I can guarantee you if you gave me a pair of headphones and let me listen to the exact some track selection from AvB and Menno that I can tell you which set is from whom. For some reason, I bet you can also so I don't know where your comment came from.

Personally, I can't stand this lineup; hey I am allowed to have my opinion right.

In the end, this party is going to be great and everyone is going to rave about it. I'm just disappointed that I took the 'risk' and jumped on the tickets prior to the line up only to be let down. If anyone disagrees, it is LovEvolution weekend; go to another afterparty!!! Go see what Ruby Skye, 1015, Mighty, Temple, and the rest of the city has to offer.

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Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds. but what's sad is if you took armin's exact tl and gave it to menno to play, some of you wouldn't have nearly as much fun because you didn't get to stare at armin for 3 hours. others will have their night ruined when the production isn't the most grandiose. one has to wonder, why is it you can't enjoy the music for what it is without the biggest and tallest lighting rig possible? jamesalin, you act like you're the only person here whose "heard a lot of djs". lol. well the way you have your mind made up about all of them sounds like you haven't heard nearly enough. i've heard a lot of djs too, and many of them a lot of different times. some of the best ones i've heard can drag their feet through one set and knock it out of the park the next. much of it has to do with your own expectations being built up too high. if you're gonna spend the next few weeks psyching yourself into thinking this party is going to suck just cause your wet dream team isn't playing, again, then it will suck. but ask yourself this... how much more epic can it get from year to year? at what point are you satisfied? however if you go with a blank slate and an open mind, you just might have a good time like many others there will. none of you have any idea how these djs are going to play in the context of lovevolution. anyone that knows anything about anything can tell you that the context affects how the dj plays greatly. finally, you all need to cut the promoter some slack. please believe from the outset they didn't plan on making deadmau5 the headliner, but that a number of circumstances including dj availability, changing political climate and other logistical problems constrained their options and their timetables from which to work with. the stars don't align for armin/ferry/markus/tiesto/a&b every year. but as supposed fans of trance music, that shouldn't even matter.

Sorry for the long post...

While it is true there are many negative comments HERE, I wouldn't say it is because everyone is a trance fan. I have been reading forums on events for the first time in my life because I was shocked/let down when I saw the lineup and was wondering what others thought. I am a big house head... my favorite DJ is David Guetta and my favorite producer is Tocadisco... I find most of the trance DJs to bore me (no offense, I've seen all the big names too... I really like Schulz, Tiesto, Armin, SvD, though...). I completely agree with the lineup negativity though from a non-trance stance.

You have a point that naturally trance fans are going to disagree when an event goes away from trance... but... who may I ask is the headliner here that equals the skill or abilities of last years lineup? Armin was #1 DJ, ATB is a classic, Above and Beyond #4, K&A etc... It doesn't need to be AS good as last year, but somewhere close would be good. If they are doing house on the mainstage then get a comparable house DJ, not Deadmau5 and Groove Armada... Deadmau5 SUCKED at Pop, he basically just premixes (or someone does it for him...) everything beforehand and then does effects as the "DJ" part of his set. Never mind all that, the music... its just bad. He played "I Remember" for 15 minutes at Pop... Who does that? His set is going to be the same... Hi Friend, Ghost and Stuff, Reward is Cheese, and Sometimes Things Get Whatever. He got his set cut by 45 minutes at Ultra then was CHEERED OFF to people yelling "Tiesto"... I know, I was there, I never want to be there again to see that... Eddie Halliwell, I am optimistic from what I hear, but I went to EDC and to be honest didn't think he was very good, but maybe I will be surprised. Groove Armada was okay and will put on a good set for us.... Fischerspooner should get the crowd going since they have such a massive following from outside the EDM world, I really can't see anyone not getting into the song "Cloud"...

If they wanted to go housey on the lineup for the main stage it should of been Kaskade and David Guetta headlining with Markus or ATB slotted in before Kaskade... That is a reasonable alternative for a house lineup.

The lineup I am looking at just stinks of not planning the events lineup early enough or just not willing to spend the money. Yes politics are involved, yes DJ schedules are involved, yes it is an SF rave and not LA, etc... Those factors have ALWAYS been present though. It isn't like the date wasn't known a whole year in advance...

That being said Skills is an awesome production company and this is going to be a sick afterparty because we will all get to listen to new music and the vibe is always just amazing, so it is worth the $60 easily just for that. This may even be better than last year, I have been so surprised by different people at pretty much every rave I have gone to. I have always walked away from a rave astonished at how wrong I was about something or someone. Last year I was surprised ATB was so good, at Monster Markus was amazing (I had never seen him before), at Ultra it was David Guetta (first time also), also at Monster it was how bad PvD sucks which was reaffirmed at Pop oh and at Ultra Miami oh and at EDC. So basically long story short, just be happy PvD isn't playing (sorry PvD guys.... I did dance to him at EDC but I am pretty sure that time I would of been dancing to Spice Girls if it was playing).

I personally hope the surprise Henry is talking about is either Guetta, Tiesto, or Markus but I am not holding my breath. Oh, and if you are gonna go, go with a smile and a positive attitude or no amout of anything is going to bring you back up. I got in a bad mood at EDC when Benassi took 50 minutes to show up and then played stuff I thought sucked (was hoping for Phobia and Pumphonia)... ruined my mood for Guetta - and THAT is why the lineup is so important. It is very easy to get in a negative mood when you are stuck with another 10,000 other sweaty people in a room and the DJ is just plain bad for 5 hours.

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Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds. but what's sad is if you took armin's exact tl and gave it to menno to play, some of you wouldn't have nearly as much fun because you didn't get to stare at armin for 3 hours. others will have their night ruined when the production isn't the most grandiose. one has to wonder, why is it you can't enjoy the music for what it is without the biggest and tallest lighting rig possible? jamesalin, you act like you're the only person here whose "heard a lot of djs". lol. well the way you have your mind made up about all of them sounds like you haven't heard nearly enough. i've heard a lot of djs too, and many of them a lot of different times. some of the best ones i've heard can drag their feet through one set and knock it out of the park the next. much of it has to do with your own expectations being built up too high. if you're gonna spend the next few weeks psyching yourself into thinking this party is going to suck just cause your wet dream team isn't playing, again, then it will suck. but ask yourself this... how much more epic can it get from year to year? at what point are you satisfied? however if you go with a blank slate and an open mind, you just might have a good time like many others there will. none of you have any idea how these djs are going to play in the context of lovevolution. anyone that knows anything about anything can tell you that the context affects how the dj plays greatly. finally, you all need to cut the promoter some slack. please believe from the outset they didn't plan on making deadmau5 the headliner, but that a number of circumstances including dj availability, changing political climate and other logistical problems constrained their options and their timetables from which to work with. the stars don't align for armin/ferry/markus/tiesto/a&b every year. but as supposed fans of trance music, that shouldn't even matter.

Last edited by rudypoochris on Aug-22-2009 at 05:33

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Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds. but what's sad is if you took armin's exact tl and gave it to menno to play, some of you wouldn't have nearly as much fun because you didn't get to stare at armin for 3 hours. others will have their night ruined when the production isn't the most grandiose. one has to wonder, why is it you can't enjoy the music for what it is without the biggest and tallest lighting rig possible? jamesalin, you act like you're the only person here whose "heard a lot of djs". lol. well the way you have your mind made up about all of them sounds like you haven't heard nearly enough. i've heard a lot of djs too, and many of them a lot of different times. some of the best ones i've heard can drag their feet through one set and knock it out of the park the next. much of it has to do with your own expectations being built up too high. if you're gonna spend the next few weeks psyching yourself into thinking this party is going to suck just cause your wet dream team isn't playing, again, then it will suck. but ask yourself this... how much more epic can it get from year to year? at what point are you satisfied? however if you go with a blank slate and an open mind, you just might have a good time like many others there will. none of you have any idea how these djs are going to play in the context of lovevolution. anyone that knows anything about anything can tell you that the context affects how the dj plays greatly. finally, you all need to cut the promoter some slack. please believe from the outset they didn't plan on making deadmau5 the headliner, but that a number of circumstances including dj availability, changing political climate and other logistical problems constrained their options and their timetables from which to work with. the stars don't align for armin/ferry/markus/tiesto/a&b every year. but as supposed fans of trance music, that shouldn't even matter.

Im not trying to suggest that Im the only person here because Im not..But the 6 or so people that Ive actually talked to about the lineup all agree that Deadmau is just not up to this task. Ive seen deadmau 4 times and everytime within 30 mins of listening to him I was ready to go to sleep. Armin on the other hand had me flying for 9 hours straight last year at Armin Only.

..Maybe I just have to high expectations..Lovefest IMHO is the best party of the year..I think it should have the best talent/production value out there...thats all..When your spending 240.00 to get yourself and your girl in the door is it too much to ask for that?

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Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds. but what's sad is if you took armin's exact tl and gave it to menno to play, some of you wouldn't have nearly as much fun because you didn't get to stare at armin for 3 hours. others will have their night ruined when the production isn't the most grandiose. one has to wonder, why is it you can't enjoy the music for what it is without the biggest and tallest lighting rig possible? jamesalin, you act like you're the only person here whose "heard a lot of djs". lol. well the way you have your mind made up about all of them sounds like you haven't heard nearly enough. i've heard a lot of djs too, and many of them a lot of different times. some of the best ones i've heard can drag their feet through one set and knock it out of the park the next. much of it has to do with your own expectations being built up too high. if you're gonna spend the next few weeks psyching yourself into thinking this party is going to suck just cause your wet dream team isn't playing, again, then it will suck. but ask yourself this... how much more epic can it get from year to year? at what point are you satisfied? however if you go with a blank slate and an open mind, you just might have a good time like many others there will. none of you have any idea how these djs are going to play in the context of lovevolution. anyone that knows anything about anything can tell you that the context affects how the dj plays greatly. finally, you all need to cut the promoter some slack. please believe from the outset they didn't plan on making deadmau5 the headliner, but that a number of circumstances including dj availability, changing political climate and other logistical problems constrained their options and their timetables from which to work with. the stars don't align for armin/ferry/markus/tiesto/a&b every year. but as supposed fans of trance music, that shouldn't even matter.

Im not trying to suggest that Im the only person here because Im not..But the 6 or so people that Ive actually talked to about the lineup all agree that Deadmau is just not up to this task. Ive seen deadmau 4 times and everytime within 30 mins of listening to him I was ready to go to sleep. Armin on the other hand had me flying for 9 hours straight last year at Armin Only.

..Maybe I just have to high expectations..Lovefest IMHO is the best party of the year..I think it should have the best talent/production value out there...thats all..When your spending 240.00 to get yourself and your girl in the door is it too much to ask for that?

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Originally posted by babygodzilla heavy name? when will it be announced?

not sure but big ups for the booking!

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The lineup I am looking at just stinks of not planning the events lineup early enough or just not willing to spend the money. Yes politics are involved, yes DJ schedules are involved, yes it is an SF rave and not LA, etc... Those factors have ALWAYS been present though. It isn't like the date wasn't known a whole year in advance...

here's a previous reply I posted that's relevant to this

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It has very little to do with LA itself, but using their massive events as an example. Those events are staged at event centers, venues, whatever you want to call it. Basically there's a formula to how an event is executed whether it's a music event, a convention, sporting event, etc. All of that is more so depended on the promoter and venue's management. Lovevolution the parade and festival requires the city itself, its epic business center, the management levels of the police, fire and medical, the approval of local businesses and the cooperation of the surrounding buildings such as Bill Graham, City Hall, a historic museum and our public library, the department of traffic, etc. It's a bureaucracy, not only does that have to be all green lights, but the nightlife industry has to be on the same page as well. Our formula drastically changes year to year; police captains change, venue management changes, departments change so our event starts from scratch almost every year. People are so worried about the lineup, they forget there are far more important things like the safety of the people who are attending and the safety of the people who will happen to be there but don't give a shit (like a family visiting from the suburbs wondering wtf is going on)

The date was not known a whole year in advance and no the factors have not always been present, because the factors change every year.

Do you think we just ask SF can we have this parade and festival, they say yes and djs start getting booked?

By any means this goes for anyone, you really can do one of two things or ignore it:

1. In your own city, try shutting down it's epic center, divert traffic through it's main streets and get every local business to be on board. Trust me when I say, as you're going through this process, you'll realize how far you are from booking DJs.

2. At anytime feel free to volunteer and join the efforts if you can feel your efforts can make improvements happen

It's easy for many of you to say this and that, when all you have to do is arrive safely then start dancing

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Right but you know the factors change every year... That is my point. It is the 6th iteration if it was a nightmare to plan the 5 years before it probably will be the 6th as well. I am not knocking what is done here, just saying it should come as no surprise that there will be surprises and difficulties.

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It's easy for many of you to say this and that, when all you have to do is arrive safely then start dancing

Oh is that all I have to do? I thought I was paying someone $140 for me and my girlfriend to dance at the afterparty... I thought I was paying for someone to work out all those difficulties and provide a good event, which does include a good lineup.

I love skills. I am not saying this is going to suck, I am just saying that considering this is the 6th time and considering everyone is paying a hefty sum, I would expect them to figure out a better lineup. It is still going to be a bitchin party regardless...