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Originally posted by cryophonik Sorry, I haven't really followed this thread very closely, but I don't see the connection or the problem here. So what if someone likes Tiesto's music? How is relevant that, if you like Tiesto, you should also have to listen to and like everything in the same/similar genre? I have certain bands/artists in virtually every genre that I like, even though I may not necessarily care for the genre as a whole or the other representative artists. How is that a problem? BTW, just curious which college you go to (I'm from Michigan myself - MSU, baby!!!)

The connection is this. It isn't a personal frustration that he is speaking about (assuming because I think I know what he is saying).

These people like he described above only listen to Tiesto because it was marketed to them. They'd listen to Korn or Jay Z or Kanye West for the same reasons. Not saying they do but they are the fodder the commercial music industry markets their products to. I.e. weak minded objectionable, dumb, non independent. They will eat up whatever is thrown their way. So because Tiesto has the biggest marketing campaign (and a free podcast on iTunes (AVB doesn't or it'd be the same thing with him) people listen to him.

Because these people (or as I like to refer to them "Units") have never heard electronic music before; they naturally think Tiesto is good because he is the first they have heard. They have nothing to compare it to. Because of their personality prototype listed above they settle for listening to his stuff and look up to him like a king instead of further exploring the genre and finding the true talent. Because so many kids are exposed to Tiesto's music it also becomes a fad and he becomes a popular name to listen to (which has nothing to do with his music and everything to do with his image and brand name).

Also you look at his ISOS and Magik compilations and it's very easy for someone who isn't familiar with the rest of the artists and industry to think Tiesto made all of the tracks that he uses. This is done by creatively titling everything in id tags. Tiesto is often listed more prominently than the artist thus making the listener believe he is the creator of the track when in reality he just mixed it.

You take Tiesto's marketing campaign away from him and he isn't even ranked in the top 100 in the dj mag poll. Why do you think he continues to shift his style to more and more commercial sounding music? Because his plan and that of his marketing campaign is to hit all of the people who aren't into edm yet and cross them over (because established fans would never enjoy his music because it takes away from the non commercial vibe he fodders). He puts out music so frequently between his podcast, concerts and albums; people are satisfied with just listening to him and nobody else because they see him in the #3 spot and such great success over time in the polls and they think the music he makes is justified. It's a giant circle.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse this has been a very contentious thread and i just wanted to throw in a little anecdote. the other day i was walking through my college dorm (yes, i am literally a child, deal with it) and heard some trance music blasting from one of the rooms. i went over there and said hi to the guy, hoping to strike up some conversation about electronic music. he was listening to the latest tiesto club life podcast, which was a bit disheartening, but i figured that he might have some other favorites. "so, what are you into?" i asked him. "well i love tiesto," he responded. "anyone else?" "uh no not really" "ever hear of, say, paul van dyk?" "uh no. i really just listen to tiesto" this is why tijs sucks. he's turned himself into a brand, a rallying point that idiots look to as the consummation of all things "techno". even in his podcasts, the emphasis is never on the tracks he's playing but on the fact that he is the one mixing it. he doesn't bring people into electronic music, he just brings people into his own little gay fan club and keeps them there. it's utterly pathetic

If the guy was actually curious he could have sought out other artists for himself, but the thing is he's just not that into it.
For that guy, Tiesto is perfect for him.

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Originally posted by Storyteller dan't prove nothing.

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Originally posted by Aesthetic I don't dance through the breakdowns.. trance tracks are so long in length the rest of the track is enough time for me to dance.. Some people actually feel emotion during breakdowns and enjoy the story side of it.. shock horror I know.. "..but that means we have to wait 2 whole minutes to do some awesome breakdance moves in slow motion to impress everyone on the dancefloor!" IMO those guys are bigger wankers than the guys with their hands in the air.. fucking showponies.. "look at me dance"

Haha, uh, I don't think anybody's talking about the b-boys here. I really don't care that people are doing some repetitive shuffle or two-step as long as they're moving. But tripping balls and mashing out and generally being nothing more than a traffic obstruction isn't really acceptable, I mean fuck, you can do that anywhere, you can do that at home.

Look at any video from the old raving days, that was trance music, but people still danced, there was energy, tons of it. You couldn't walk in there and not want to dance. And instead of interminable breakdowns for your "break" you had chillout rooms to hang out in if you were too tired or fucked up. That's a "party" - not hanging around alternating between waving your hands in the air and standing around with your eyes half-closed.

And don't give me some bullcrap line about how it's better in the club because of the "vibe", the vibe is in the motion, it's only better at the club for trance crackers because everybody else is doing the same thing and so you feel like less of a lamewad for it.

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How boring wouldnt it be if track never had a break ?

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Originally posted by Subtle How boring wouldnt it be if track never had a break ?

Very; but in the same breadth too much of a good thing is just as bad.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse this has been a very contentious thread and i just wanted to throw in a little anecdote. the other day i was walking through my college dorm (yes, i am literally a child, deal with it) and heard some trance music blasting from one of the rooms. i went over there and said hi to the guy, hoping to strike up some conversation about electronic music. he was listening to the latest tiesto club life podcast, which was a bit disheartening, but i figured that he might have some other favorites. "so, what are you into?" i asked him. "well i love tiesto," he responded. "anyone else?" "uh no not really" "ever hear of, say, paul van dyk?" "uh no. i really just listen to tiesto" this is why tijs sucks. he's turned himself into a brand, a rallying point that idiots look to as the consummation of all things "techno". even in his podcasts, the emphasis is never on the tracks he's playing but on the fact that he is the one mixing it. he doesn't bring people into electronic music, he just brings people into his own little gay fan club and keeps them there. it's utterly pathetic

I can't even begin to explain how close minded what you just said is

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Originally posted by Subtle How boring wouldnt it be if track never had a break ?

Evidently you haven't heard many techno sets.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Evidently you haven't heard many techno sets.

That is correct, but techno can be a lot of things.

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trance was ment for big build ups and breakdowns and techno is just floor to the foor dancing agait its built that way