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Originally posted by Az George W Bush is an idiot, the world is laughing at him, not just Michael Moore, everyone. He's not done a good job, his speech writer has, and even that is questionable. On a side note, the voting controversy was a fucking joke, especially due to the fact that Georges brother Jeb organised it so that 31% of the black population of florida could not vote (knowing 31% were felons), and the black population of florida votes overwhelmingly in favour of the democrats. The co-chairwoman paid $4million to "database technologies" to remove anyone "suspected of being a felon", as I said, similar names and birthdates meant you were a felon. And noone in the US knew about this until the BBC uncovered it!. As you say this also happens in the UK, I mean the press had a field day when the Prime Ministers wife made some enquiries for a friends boyfriend about a visa, unbeknownst to her he was a convicted fraudster, the press went mental, which is mad because she didn't actually do anything. Unlike Jeb Bush's wife, who smuggled $19,000 worth of jewellry into the country, which I believe is a felony, and was still allowed to vote I have to completely disagree with you on the talented cabinet thing, it's the same bunch of thieves, liars and oil barons that were in office during Bush Seniors time in the oval office. Who made the stupid rule that a president can only be in office for 8 years? Clinton was a damn fine president, so what if he had fun with a fatty and a cigar? he wasn't going to goto war with Iraq over oil. Theres plenty of other stuff I'm sure I could dig out if you want?

Well said Az, a calm and collected, thoughtful response as before.

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Originally posted by joeh152 Well said Az, a calm and collected, thoughtful response as before.

get your thumb out of his ass. anyone can criticise the way a president runs a country, thats the downside of a presidential system, that the head of state is the same person as the head of government. in most of the countries of the world, these two people are different, so that one can criticise one without criticizing the country at the same time. simply a marketing thing, if you will. as for your comment about the cabinet of the united states, they are probably the most talented cabinet that has ever been in charge of the US, but we do share the same problem that most countries share, in that the beaurocratic part of the upper levels of government are not elected, they get their jobs and can keep them for as long as they want, its the same as the ministries in britain and the cabinets of france and japan. the fact that you call them theives is complete stupidity- where do you make these claims from. Clinton was a damn fine president? maybe you found him as attractive as his interns did, because all he did was ride the internet bubble, and defer all of our national political problems to a later date. i am not surprised that you have deferred our multi-topic argument to the election again because it seems to be the only place that you can make susinct argumetns, and i have proven you wrong on many of the other issues.

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Originally posted by Enervate get your thumb out of his ass. anyone can criticise the way a president runs a country, thats the downside of a presidential system, that the head of state is the same person as the head of government. in most of the countries of the world, these two people are different, so that one can criticise one without criticizing the country at the same time. simply a marketing thing, if you will. as for your comment about the cabinet of the united states, they are probably the most talented cabinet that has ever been in charge of the US, but we do share the same problem that most countries share, in that the beaurocratic part of the upper levels of government are not elected, they get their jobs and can keep them for as long as they want, its the same as the ministries in britain and the cabinets of france and japan. the fact that you call them theives is complete stupidity- where do you make these claims from. Clinton was a damn fine president? maybe you found him as attractive as his interns did, because all he did was ride the internet bubble, and defer all of our national political problems to a later date. i am not surprised that you have deferred our multi-topic argument to the election again because it seems to be the only place that you can make susinct argumetns, and i have proven you wrong on many of the other issues.

Well said enervate, a calm and collected, thoughtful response as before, excep the the part about that guy having his thumb up AZ's ass.

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Originally posted by Enervate the ira is a political group here just like any others, and therefore american law would forbid it to make it illegal to stop it from collecting money - that whole 'freedom of assembly' thing is a bitch but look at how ignorant your argument is: "since it isn't illegal for the IRA to collect money in America" then "much of the funds were coming from America"

The IRA is clearly not a political party.

They are a terrorist organization that has killed and injured many - they even tried to kill my great grandfather once.

And yes, until recently it was legal for them to collect funds in America, it is illegal now. Reason - Irish republican sympathizers in the US Government. Just like the Israeli sympathizers who are stopping America do anything about Israel - when they would happily get involved with other conflicts that really should concern them less.

I can just imagine what your government would do if there was a terrorist group killing people in America and we let them openly and legally raise funds here.

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Originally posted by Enervate get your thumb out of his ass. anyone can criticise the way a president runs a country, thats the downside of a presidential system, that the head of state is the same person as the head of government. in most of the countries of the world, these two people are different, so that one can criticise one without criticizing the country at the same time. simply a marketing thing, if you will. as for your comment about the cabinet of the united states, they are probably the most talented cabinet that has ever been in charge of the US, but we do share the same problem that most countries share, in that the beaurocratic part of the upper levels of government are not elected, they get their jobs and can keep them for as long as they want, its the same as the ministries in britain and the cabinets of france and japan. the fact that you call them theives is complete stupidity- where do you make these claims from. Clinton was a damn fine president? maybe you found him as attractive as his interns did, because all he did was ride the internet bubble, and defer all of our national political problems to a later date. i am not surprised that you have deferred our multi-topic argument to the election again because it seems to be the only place that you can make susinct argumetns, and i have proven you wrong on many of the other issues.

the reason I keep referring back to the election is because I find it quite funny that America is a country that has a leader who hasn't been elected by the majority of the country, and if it was any other country in the world, the UN, the EU, and hell even America would go apeshit. Actually all the ministers in Britain are elected, and positions are delegated by the Prime Minister.
Maybe thief was a harsh word to use, but a number of these fine cabinet member you speak of, haven't made their money as legitamately as you or I (well at least I, you could sell smack to kids).
for example
Colin Powell - Secretary of State
When not fighting wars, Powell sat on the boards of Gulfstream Aerospace, and AOL (that really great internet ISP ). Gulfstream makes jets for foreign governments like Saudi Arabia. During Powells time at AOL, the company merged with Time Warner, and Powells stock rose by $4million dollars. Nothing out of the ordinary, but with mergers this big, the FCC usually questions mergers this size, and often rules against them. Colins son, Michael, was a member of the FCC, and advocated strongly that the merger went through with no questions asked. Michael Powell has since been appointed chairman of the FCC by the big W, and as part of his job, he oversees AOL's instant messaging technology.
*removes his AOL instant messager*

Secretary of the Treasury - Paul O'Neill
Formerly President and CEO of Alcoa, the worlds largest Aluminium manufacturer, before joining Bush's administration.
Alcoa does it's lobbying through a law firm called Vinson and Elkins. Vinson and Elkins was the third largest contributor to Bush's campaign, and by coincidence 'found' a legal loophole allowing Alcoa to dump 60,000 tonnes of sulphur dioxide into texas every year. O'Neill sold his shares in Alcoa, for a whopping $62 million, very slowly, after watching his stock rise 30% in the time he was in office. Since becoming treasury chief, he has stated Social Security and Medicare aren't necessary, perhaps because he recieves an annual pension of $926,000 from Alcoa.

*never visits Texas*

as you can probably tell, I've got a bit of a list of this "talented cabinet" in which you speak, and there rather shady pasts. If you can find me half as much dirt on the British ministers, I'd be fucking impressed, because the british press can't, and they're at it all day and every day!
My ( ) sources:
Dick Cheney
Dick Cheneys history on abortion can be found in the Boston Globe "conservative tilt with a moderates style", Michael Kranish, July 26th 2000, and the Los Angeles times "Would vote differently on ERA, Headstart, not Mandela" Michael Finnigan, July 31st 2000 ; www.cnn.com "Dick Cheney voted conservative, played moderate", July 24th 2000; Cheneys stock investments are detailed at www.forbes.com, "top of the news: O'neill to sell" (also contains information about O'neills dealings with Alcoa) Dan Ackman, March 26th, 2001; www.corpwatch.org "Cheneys oil investments, and the future of Mexico's democracy" Martin Espinoza, August 8th 2000; Further investigations into the sales between Halliburton and Iraq are is from the Washington Post "Firms Iraq deals greater than Cheney has said; Affiliates had $73 million in contracts" Colum Lynch, June 23rd, 2001.
Colin Powell
Colin Powells relationship with AOL/Time warner is discussed in the Associated Press, "Stocks, Speeches add to Powell wealth", Greg Toppo, January 17th 2001; and the Financial Times "The Americas: All the US Presidents VERY rich men" Peter Spiegal, March 8, 2001.
Paul O'Neill
Paul O'Neills stockholdings are detailed, The Nation, "The man from alcoa", William Greider, july 16th, 2001; and the houston chronicle, "Alcoa strikes curious water deal with San Antonio" Nate Blakeslee, September 3rd, 1999.

Additional Material came from: www.issues.org

Happy?
oh and what points have you made? where have you proved me wrong on anything?? oh thats right, you haven't
Have to apologise about the Clinton thing though, all we hear about him is how great he is, but most of the good things he did came in the last 2 days of office and to see him on the telly does make me go all googly eyed , but the fact remains that he was likeable, whereas Bush reminds me of the kid noone liked at school, flunked his way through life, and has got by with Daddy giving him handouts (failed oil projects, baseball teams etc... )
When you actually make a point, or, shock horror, prove one of mine wrong, feel free to post it, or if you've actually proved me wrong point it out, so I can tell you where you've gone wrong. Until then deal with the fact that you are one of the few countries to have signed the Land Mine mine proposal put forward by the UN, you didn't sign the Kyoto agreement (well played there lads, we all really admire you for being a big bunch of fuel munching ****s with your SUV's and 5 litre cars), and an International Human Rights agreement about the treatment of children (Cos good ol george loves executing those 16 year olds). That your country plans on spending $1.4 trillion dollars on the pentagon, when it would only cost £1.2 billion dollars to fix every school in the country to the required standards.
Gotta love the "talented" US Cabinet

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Originally posted by Az the reason I keep referring back to the election is because I find it quite funny that America is a country that has a leader who hasn't been elected by the majority of the country, and if it was any other country in the world, the UN, the EU, and hell even America would go apeshit. Actually all the ministers in Britain are elected, and positions are delegated by the Prime Minister. Maybe thief was a harsh word to use, but a number of these fine cabinet member you speak of, haven't made their money as legitamately as you or I (well at least I, you could sell smack to kids). for example Colin Powell - Secretary of State When not fighting wars, Powell sat on the boards of Gulfstream Aerospace, and AOL (that really great internet ISP ). Gulfstream makes jets for foreign governments like Saudi Arabia. During Powells time at AOL, the company merged with Time Warner, and Powells stock rose by $4million dollars. Nothing out of the ordinary, but with mergers this big, the FCC usually questions mergers this size, and often rules against them. Colins son, Michael, was a member of the FCC, and advocated strongly that the merger went through with no questions asked. Michael Powell has since been appointed chairman of the FCC by the big W, and as part of his job, he oversees AOL's instant messaging technology. *removes his AOL instant messager* Secretary of the Treasury - Paul O'Neill Formerly President and CEO of Alcoa, the worlds largest Aluminium manufacturer, before joining Bush's administration. Alcoa does it's lobbying through a law firm called Vinson and Elkins. Vinson and Elkins was the third largest contributor to Bush's campaign, and by coincidence 'found' a legal loophole allowing Alcoa to dump 60,000 tonnes of sulphur dioxide into texas every year. O'Neill sold his shares in Alcoa, for a whopping $62 million, very slowly, after watching his stock rise 30% in the time he was in office. Since becoming treasury chief, he has stated Social Security and Medicare aren't necessary, perhaps because he recieves an annual pension of $926,000 from Alcoa. *never visits Texas* as you can probably tell, I've got a bit of a list of this "talented cabinet" in which you speak, and there rather shady pasts. If you can find me half as much dirt on the British ministers, I'd be fucking impressed, because the british press can't, and they're at it all day and every day! My ( ) sources: Dick Cheney Dick Cheneys history on abortion can be found in the Boston Globe "conservative tilt with a moderates style", Michael Kranish, July 26th 2000, and the Los Angeles times "Would vote differently on ERA, Headstart, not Mandela" Michael Finnigan, July 31st 2000 ; www.cnn.com "Dick Cheney voted conservative, played moderate", July 24th 2000; Cheneys stock investments are detailed at www.forbes.com, "top of the news: O'neill to sell" (also contains information about O'neills dealings with Alcoa) Dan Ackman, March 26th, 2001; www.corpwatch.org "Cheneys oil investments, and the future of Mexico's democracy" Martin Espinoza, August 8th 2000; Further investigations into the sales between Halliburton and Iraq are is from the Washington Post "Firms Iraq deals greater than Cheney has said; Affiliates had $73 million in contracts" Colum Lynch, June 23rd, 2001. Colin Powell Colin Powells relationship with AOL/Time warner is discussed in the Associated Press, "Stocks, Speeches add to Powell wealth", Greg Toppo, January 17th 2001; and the Financial Times "The Americas: All the US Presidents VERY rich men" Peter Spiegal, March 8, 2001. Paul O'Neill Paul O'Neills stockholdings are detailed, The Nation, "The man from alcoa", William Greider, july 16th, 2001; and the houston chronicle, "Alcoa strikes curious water deal with San Antonio" Nate Blakeslee, September 3rd, 1999. Additional Material came from: www.issues.org Happy? oh and what points have you made? where have you proved me wrong on anything?? oh thats right, you haven't Have to apologise about the Clinton thing though, all we hear about him is how great he is, but most of the good things he did came in the last 2 days of office and to see him on the telly does make me go all googly eyed , but the fact remains that he was likeable, whereas Bush reminds me of the kid noone liked at school, flunked his way through life, and has got by with Daddy giving him handouts (failed oil projects, baseball teams etc... ) When you actually make a point, or, shock horror, prove one of mine wrong, feel free to post it, or if you've actually proved me wrong point it out, so I can tell you where you've gone wrong. Until then deal with the fact that you are one of the few countries to have signed the Land Mine mine proposal put forward by the UN, you didn't sign the Kyoto agreement (well played there lads, we all really admire you for being a big bunch of fuel munching ****s with your SUV's and 5 litre cars), and an International Human Rights agreement about the treatment of children (Cos good ol george loves executing those 16 year olds). That your country plans on spending $1.4 trillion dollars on the pentagon, when it would only cost £1.2 billion dollars to fix every school in the country to the required standards. Gotta love the "talented" US Cabinet

america sucks

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer america sucks

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Originally posted by blank who bastard voted greece??? LOL

it were Enervate, flame him

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