quote:

Originally posted by webmeister I'd kill for a full rip of Insigma - Open Your Eyes (Goldenscan Mix)

indeed its remix btw

quote:

Originally posted by zolwik Paul van Dyk - Nothing But You

we'll have a release of this in february so dont worry...the pain in the ass are the tracks that we dont fuckin know a releasin date and if they ever gonna be released...lol

im killin for sander kleinenberg - buenos aires too..but i think this is gonna be out soon..

quote:

Originally posted by somebody who fails to see things from more than one perspective (yes you DJMaytag) Yes, many do go out and buy the CD/vinyl, but there was an example in this thread where I said I could supply the track in question, but the person declined, stating he was only looking for the mp3 rip.

The people in here are right. 99% of cds out are garbage with two or three good songs if that on them. I would much rather pay for an mp3 than a cd or vinyl anyway. when I get home and I want to listen to some music, I don't feel like putting a cd single into my cd player and then having to switch it when I'm done, it's so much easier to load up a playlist. And vinyls are even worse, some of us just want to kick back and relax, we don't want to have to switch a vinyl every time a song ends.. Not only that but I don't even have turntables in the first place so getting most of these songs in a format other than mp3 is a little difficult for me.

but that's just my 2 cents, you can take it however you like

quote:

Originally posted by DJMaytag You could always buy the CD and then just listen to it at home, for leisure.

DUde, I've read everything you've written. I personally dont have the money to buy turntables, therefore it would be stupid to go out and buy the vynils, plus, I which I had the money to be able to spend around 15 and up on 4 remixes of a song ( the vynil ) .. sometimes its not even 4 but 1 or 2.

Also, many of the songs, that may be included on a CD are either remixed or shorted, exept for those compilations heaving the full .. not even at all times, on the TRANCEMASTER series. But, I do not have 30 - 40 bucks to spend on one of this CD's ( WHICH ARE IMPORTS for the majority of time .. and yes, im in the USA ) .

IM not working, maybe later on, so for now, I want to enjoy trance music, and all the latests tunes, I'd love to support the artist and so on, but if you didnt know, much of the music, as we all know it, was spread through mp3 music. The internet played, and is playing a big role on dance music at least here in the United States, at least in my case. And a great example is to see what happened to Cosmicman - I love you track, which was only going around the internet, but yet, was in great demand for a VYNIL release. IT was well known thanx to the internet, and many DJ's have agreed that mp3 helps. DJ's wouldnt be known for their quality ( many that heavent come to the USA were allready in demand, thanx to their LIVESETS going around the internet as well their songs, example, DJ TIESTO, MARCO V and prob all the others ).

Last but not least, CD's are the cheapest source and kind to make, cheaper then making a tape, yet its expensier then a tape. Its rediculous how expensive a CD is, and I DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY EVERY SINGLE CD , which may have onlye 2 - 3 songs I like, while the others are SH*T ! .. And not even what you pay for the CD goes to the artists, if im not mistaking, only 10% goes to the artist, the rest is for the record label and so on ... so man, I dont agree with your greedy thing about mp3 sharing. Ofcourse if I was mad rich, I wouldnt bother downloading, wasting time and go straight on getting the CD"s, but what if I dont like vynils ? .. so man .. its about opinions and what you like.

Enjoy !

___________________
Upcoming:

Michael Andrews Feat. Gary Jules - Mad World (Grayed Out Mix)

Blue effect - Soul travel
& Dj Klang - Cambia (vinyl)
please PM!

___________________
Love the music, not the drugs, stay tuned in!
wanted tunes:
Paul Lancaster - Bad girl (Fretwell dub)
Scarcubem - Linien
Roger van Lunteren - Rainy autumn sunrise

...experienced the Sasha Magic...
Album of the moment: Aural imbalance - Different perspective

quote:

Originally posted by Vesa I respect your attempt to honour artists' rights because there will be no more trance vinyls unless people buy a certain amount (though I think most people at TA have bought more than their share). However, there's also a third category of artists, which you haven't mentioned. Artists who are no longer active. More so if their productions were good but unnoticed. Their primary goal is that their efforts in music will not be forgotten. When I prepared an update for TDS last month, I went through 50% of all trance vinyls ever released. There's lots of stuff that is sold out on vinyl. After a certain time passes, even the mp3s will no longer be kept online. It's a tragedy for trance community, and most of all to artists, if their works are forgotten because of unavailability. So I claim that mp3 exchange of hard-to-get tracks is essential for the whole trance community. It gives us an option to retain the heritage of trance culture. We can always buy the vinyls later. But we need to get mp3s of year 1999-2000 tracks now, or lose them (like the many tracks in this thread that no-one has).

C'mon, not many here are looking for tracks that old. Many are looking for tunes that could still be released commercially, but may not be due to the spreading of mp3's. Besides, don't you think that some of those artists that are also DJ's don't WANT to release some of these tunes, so that they can be the only one's to have these tunes?

Don't talk to me about the "heritage of trance culture" if you're not talking about trance pre-1999, which odds are you know very little about. I don't see anyone asking for the tunes which trance was built upon, do you?

quote:

Originally posted by Vesa Besides, there may later appear unexpected uses for the mp3s. If trance music should get in a bad state (too commercial or too few releases), we can listen again through the older tracks, and start a retro boom. The vinyls will no longer be available, so no-one can check out the tracks that way. Trance community must listen to the mp3s, and then ask for represses of chosen tracks. Another unexpected use is if someone wants to research history of trance music. He will need a lot of material (mp3s) to get a proper picture.

First, trance IS in a bad state, and I'm listening to plenty of retro tracks, which I can do BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE CD'S WHEN THEY WERE RELEASED!

Seconldy, alot of tunes will not be repressed because the companies may no longer be in business, which may or may not have been caused by mp3 sharing. I'd love to see some old trance tunes from a decade ago be repressed, but sadly many of those labels are no longer in existence. Also, there are many distributors who are still stocking records from over a decade ago. I was EXTREMELY surprised at the back catalogue one of my newest distros has, and I've acquired a selection of old tunes I missed out on. If one were to take a stroll down to their local record store and ask someone to order it, they would know that (in some instances) a re-press isn't needed.

If you want a history of trance, there are a number of us who were around when trance fisrt became a genre over a decade ago, who'd be more than happy to share their perspectives of the past 10+ years.

quote:

Originally posted by Vesa This whole thing of exchange of hard-to-get mp3s arises because trance is an underground music culture. The vinyls are made in small quantities, and can't be found in libraries.

But they CAN be found in record stores. There are PLENTY of records, CD's, and tapes floating around second hand for some of these older tunes.

quote:

Originally posted by Vesa So we need to make an equivalent on our own. Many artists, record labels and their supporters oppose mp3 sharing because they see it as leeching, and completely miss this other purpose to their own peril.

Those that share full mp3 rips miss out on the fact that it's killing the foundation of what suports the music, and that is the record stores that carry the records! If record stores continue to go out of business like they've been doing recently, there will be no outlets for the labels to sell to, hence fewer and/or no new releases (I think there was an example listed here earlier of a tune that was set to be released, but the label went out of biz...)

___________________
DJMaytag @ Facebook
Tracks on Soundcloud
Paul Van Dyk - Today [DJMaytag's Dreamy Dub Mix]

quote:

Originally posted by ck1121 The people in here are right. 99% of cds out are garbage with two or three good songs if that on them. I would much rather pay for an mp3 than a cd or vinyl anyway. when I get home and I want to listen to some music, I don't feel like putting a cd single into my cd player and then having to switch it when I'm done, it's so much easier to load up a playlist. And vinyls are even worse, some of us just want to kick back and relax, we don't want to have to switch a vinyl every time a song ends.. Not only that but I don't even have turntables in the first place so getting most of these songs in a format other than mp3 is a little difficult for me. but that's just my 2 cents, you can take it however you like

Buy a CD and/or a vinyl, then make an MP3 of it, then load up a playlist. Doing so is within the "Fair Use" terms.

___________________
DJMaytag @ Facebook
Tracks on Soundcloud
Paul Van Dyk - Today [DJMaytag's Dreamy Dub Mix]

Well well well well.....dj maytag...another trance.nu member i think. Let's think here....I own maybe 3 12"'s....no albums....if I want an album I'll buy it. But I have mp3's....does that make it wrong?.

quote:

Originally posted by DJMaytag Buy a CD and/or a vinyl, then make an MP3 of it, then load up a playlist. Doing so is within the "Fair Use" terms.

I notice that on your site you link to a place to download tunes, ie here, so obviously u don't feel 'that' against it else you wouldn't list it in that way.

I suggest getting off your high horse, I have lots of tunes on sets i bought from the mid 90s and before and I've spent all I can afford, so u should leave it at that and give up b4 u get owned even more

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX DUde, I've read everything you've written. I personally dont have the money to buy turntables, therefore it would be stupid to go out and buy the vynils, plus, I which I had the money to be able to spend around 15 and up on 4 remixes of a song ( the vynil ) .. sometimes its not even 4 but 1 or 2.

You don't need to buy a pair of Technics 1200's if all you wanna do is listen to a single record. A second hand table can be found for $100 or less.

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX Also, many of the songs, that may be included on a CD are either remixed or shorted, exept for those compilations heaving the full .. not even at all times, on the TRANCEMASTER series. But, I do not have 30 - 40 bucks to spend on one of this CD's ( WHICH ARE IMPORTS for the majority of time .. and yes, im in the USA ).

I'm in the US too, and I've had to shell out some $$$ to get some of those same Trancemaster CD's too, and they're NOT that expensive. If you can't get them cheaper, I should be able to get them for you thur my record store, so PM me.

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX IM not working, maybe later on, so for now, I want to enjoy trance music, and all the latests tunes, I'd love to support the artist and so on, but if you didnt know, much of the music, as we all know it, was spread through mp3 music. The internet played, and is playing a big role on dance music at least here in the United States, at least in my case.

I'm sorry, but that's BS. Trance exploded quite some time ago, and the internet had nothing to do with it (MP3 wasn't even a well known term at the time.)

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX And a great example is to see what happened to Cosmicman - I love you track, which was only going around the internet, but yet, was in great demand for a VYNIL release. IT was well known thanx to the internet, and many DJ's have agreed that mp3 helps. DJ's wouldnt be known for their quality ( many that heavent come to the USA were allready in demand, thanx to their LIVESETS going around the internet as well their songs, example, DJ TIESTO, MARCO V and prob all the others ).

It's nice to see artists who got exposure by letting their music circulate for free on sites like MP3.com, but remember, they CHOSE to do so.

I've said this before, I do NOT have a problem with livesets that aren't commercially available being shared. The main beef is with FULL rips of individual tracks - and I may even be more annoyed at those who HAVE a given tune that's in a mix, but they don't feel that's good enough for them, and that they must have the full rip instead. Doesn't sound like someone who's truly looking to enjoy the music, does it?

quote:

Originally posted by LiquidX Last but not least, CD's are the cheapest source and kind to make, cheaper then making a tape, yet its expensier then a tape. Its rediculous how expensive a CD is, and I DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY EVERY SINGLE CD , which may have onlye 2 - 3 songs I like, while the others are SH*T ! .. And not even what you pay for the CD goes to the artists, if im not mistaking, only 10% goes to the artist, the rest is for the record label and so on ... so man, I dont agree with your greedy thing about mp3 sharing. Ofcourse if I was mad rich, I wouldnt bother downloading, wasting time and go straight on getting the CD"s, but what if I dont like vynils ? .. so man .. its about opinions and what you like. Enjoy !

I've got plenty of CD's that I only like one or two tunes, and I don't regret buying any of them because I enjoy them so much. If you truly liked a track or two so much, then you wouldn't have a problem with shelling out a few bucks to buy them then, right? Or is that just your justification?

I will agree that the way record contracts are structured leaves a lot to be desired, but if they lose out on sales because of mp3 rips, then the artist gets a smaller amount from that 10%, don't they?

___________________
DJMaytag @ Facebook
Tracks on Soundcloud
Paul Van Dyk - Today [DJMaytag's Dreamy Dub Mix]

Now....I'm not saying mp3's are right or wrong here. Do you think that AVB, Tiesto and Ferry Corsten could have been big in the United States and Canada without mp3's of their sets and some of their productions?.....actually all 3 of them would be the first to tell you...without mp3's...none of them would be where they are today. Add Sander Kleinenberg to that list...