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Originally posted by Superstar Oh ok... so just because they "werent suppose" to be smoking means they can have their cigarettes confiscated? Really? "your" so smart!!!111 So why can 14 year olds smoke on the sidewalks of their schools and no one does anything about it? Where is the law that says minors cannot posess or smoke cigarettes? Oh shit, there isn't one... Damn, guess there goes your brilliant theory. Hey guess what has a lower brain capacity than shoelace? Hint: it starts with "R" and ends with "odrico"

Yeah except their is a law that does all that except that its not enforced by police (why cause cops have better things to do then stop little punks from smoking), also cause no one really cares about 14 years old trying to be cool and defiant against the law and that of their unfair, tyrannical parents, bent on making their lives somesort of suburban tragedy...Oh woe is the average 14 year old life. Ever wonder why store owners are supposed to ask you for ID when you buy cigarettes, hey, now you know!(its the law, yay! arent we learning something new today) I dont actually know for sure if its 16, 18, or 19 that you can possess tabacco in the province of Ontario (if someone can verify the age it is as I am unsure). So there you go, there is a law, and guess what, your WRONG! also, dont use my own insults at me, only one person here has the IQ of a shoelace, and I am pretty sure its you.

As for Flec, I dont think all young kids are stupid, I just think its rather stupid for under-aged clubbers who speak about over-aged topics especially when they show to reveal no real insight and experience about said given subject. I guess I shouldnt of generalized against all of you, but dont worry, your day will come too if you post stupid crap like super-retard.

I think I will have to somewhat agree with Jayx1 for the bars in the winter time, alot of those small, and old bars that were meant for older men to get together and have a few beers and watch the game, have a couple smokes, those will feel the greater affect of the smoking ban, cause its big entertainment complexs like major nightclubs and major bars that attract a young and fresh crowd with good DJs and good parties that will always thrive. But one has to remember not every bar survives off those types of events, not every bar is geared towards that, as some survive by the regulars who come in to wash away their woes with a good mug and brass colored ashtray. I will sadly miss my old and dingy sports cafes, where one can smoke and play gitoni while watching your favorite soccer team play on a 20 inch screen in the corner...*sniff*

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Originally posted by Jayx1 You are wrong. The police are not able to enforce bylaws as it does not fall under their juridiction. The Toronto police takes care of bylaws when it comes to parking and traffic because they have set up a special division to handle bylaw services. If you notice they have special cars, special uniforms and dont carry guns. They are not cops. They are bylaw enforcement officers run by the Toronto Police. They are 2 completely different entities under the law. A bylaw officer is not much of a step above a civilian in the eyes of the law. ...

fair enough...I wasn't sure...all articles and reports have been pretty vague on that issue. oh well...dumb bylaw design?

I am puffing away likea magic dragon at friends house

fun stuff i tell you - goin out on thier patios and such is always fun and ever since this by-law I have been homesoprtin - call me if yu wanna come by!!!

it's all good

Dallas

thanks to all those TA's that helped me - lord knows u needed a smoke after that!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I predict the same fate in Toronto especially when winter comes around... Those who think it wont affect business here when it has in EVERY other jurisdiction are just fooling themselves.

1. Do you think anyone gives a fuck what you predict?

2. It hasn't hurt business in ANY other jurisdiction, and repeating it over and over again won't make it true. There are no legitimate studies that prove it, only unfounded claims and rumours much like the ones which used to circulate about chocolate causing acne and caffeine destroying auditory nerves.

You find me evidence that doesn't start with the words "bar owners claim", and maybe I'll listen.

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Your right, after all what would bar owners know about how much money they are making at any given time?

^ Sure, they know how much money they make, but do they really know WHY they are making less? NO.

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Those who think it wont affect business here when it has in EVERY other jurisdiction are just fooling themselves.

*bullsht*. I'm from a place where it when non-smoking a few years back, and the clubs AND pubs are doing just as well now, if not BETTER than they were doing before.

But, now you'll probably dismiss THAT as anecdotal.

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Perhaps it worked in the area you lived in. Hopefully it will work here. Im just saying that in most cases it hasnt worked.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Your right, after all what would bar owners know about how much money they are making at any given time?

Of course they know, but it doesn't stop them from being able to claim whatever kind of bullshit they want in an interview. The simple fact of the matter is that they've never been able to produce one iota of paper evidence that they've lost any amount of money significant enough to correlate with smoke-free bylaws. And even if they could, correlation still is not proof of causation.

I can tell you one reason why some *big* club owners lose business. Because the bylaw officers are keeping their eyes peeled inside the clubs and their house dealers have to be a lot more careful. They sell less, the club makes less under-the-table cash, and that's exactly why they know they're losing money but don't have the official figures to support it.

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First... Bylaw officers can look for drugs all they want. They cant do anything about it. They arent the police. Bylaw officers are nothing more than legally bonded citizens.

Second... If clubs and bars didnt lose money due to this law, why would the owners make so much effort to decry this law? If there was no effect don't you think the bar owners would be happy?