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Originally posted by Orbax What I dont get, in the end, is how people can viciously attack your stance, and you for having it, yet have no real opinion on their own except being Not-You.

well if you really want i can make up some bullshit about how what really matters is the feelings of love bla bla and how that attraction justifies it, but that isn't what you wanna hear hehehe

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Originally posted by Floorfiller well if you really want i can make up some bullshit about how what really matters is the feelings of love bla bla and how that attraction justifies it, but that isn't what you wanna hear hehehe

hehe, mainly because thats the only argument ive ever heard, and its rather easy to dismiss

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Originally posted by Orbax hehe, mainly because thats the only argument ive ever heard, and its rather easy to dismiss

well is homosexuality nature ot nurture? what u think

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Originally posted by tranceaholic well is homosexuality nature ot nurture? what u think

The action or the feeling

and if you want to get on the subject of tendencies people have from birth and whether they should be allowed to act them out just because their brain functions in a particular way or the thought of doing something is attractive to them....

hooboy.

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Originally posted by Orbax The action or the feeling and if you want to get on the subject of tendencies people have from birth and whether they should be allowed to act them out just because their brain functions in a particular way or the thought of doing something is attractive to them.... hooboy.

that's a good point. you cannot use something like that to justify being gay, but not use it to defend someone that is a serial killer or something.

of course then the argument of environment comes up hehehe...for both situations.

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Originally posted by Orbax Im still waiting for someones argument as to the "rightness" of homosexuality. Im sick of defending my point of view, lets turn it around a bit shall we?

This whole notion of proving something to be morally right or wrong is quite silly. Morality is a human invention that differs from each individual. Homosexuality like many other things is an aberration that just happens. Fundies like yourself inevitably try to impose your morals on others. No one is asking for you to become gay or take pleasure in watching others engage in it. Just live your life the way you see fit and world will get on just fine.

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better yet, let's get back on the topic

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by Floorfiller see i don't agree with that. i think that if you rely on your religion because you have no reason for life otherwise, then that is kinda sad. and i don't think that maintaining a non-religious lifestyle will lead to a miserable life, quite the opposite in fact. there is a difference between being non-religious and being pessimistic about everything. i would also say that i am quite humble. i do not expect to understand everything in the world, but at the same time i feel no shame in trying to obtain as much knowledge as i can to explain that which i believe. and to my discovery, there is nothing logical about religion and therefore i don't place any faith in it. i'm sure a religious approach to life can be quite enjoyable as you said, but i cannot sit and ignorantly ignore my desire to know and in effect lie to myself in order to be religious when i truly feel the opposite.

Although I normally engage in these conversations whilst drunk - Entertain me, if you would.

If there is no God (which you believe) - what is the meaning to life? What ultimate satisfaction can we (as people) reach, in our lifetimes? If you say sexual reproduction or fullfillment, you're falling right into a Fruedian outlook on life. If you can live that way, more power to you, but I know I couldn't. If I'm simply here just to fall in love, have some kids, and die - sure, it's fun, but what the hell purpose would that be for?

As for your comment on nothing logical about religion... how can you justify that? While I'll admit you can't call God on a payphone or witness miracles and other supernatural events(like back in the old day) - how can you discount personal testimonies and documents explaining these things, which were embraced by the people that lived during that time?

Just curious. Not even sure if anyone is talking about this subject anymore. Good stuff, though. Thought provoking, at least.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Just live your life the way you see fit and world will get on just fine.

that theory falls apart when someones :life the way they see fit: involves changing other peoples views or killing them or colonializing them.

Not everyones dreams are of hermitude

hitler for example. He led life exactly how he wanted to. Except the end part where he lost and killed himself.

If nothing else, there are people in the world who think these things and will try to act on them, and I think its pretty interesting to see exactly WHAT motivates people to do the things they do.

I was just thinking that someone out there mightve had an opinion considering the hostility that was shown towards me, lol.

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Originally posted by Seventil Although I normally engage in these conversations whilst drunk - Entertain me, if you would. If there is no God (which you believe) - what is the meaning to life? What ultimate satisfaction can we (as people) reach, in our lifetimes? If you say sexual reproduction or fullfillment, you're falling right into a Fruedian outlook on life. If you can live that way, more power to you, but I know I couldn't. If I'm simply here just to fall in love, have some kids, and die - sure, it's fun, but what the hell purpose would that be for?

first, i never claimed to not believe in some form of higher being. What i meant to say is that i don't believe in religions in the form that they so often take in the world...so if i stated that wrong before, that is what i should have said. With that said, i don't know what to think as far as a God...i'm uncertain, but what i am certain of is that fact that i'm here and i owe myself the most i can offer. I think all religions should be a completely internal spirituality because that would seem to be, in my mind, the truest from of belief. Since i don't hold any significant religious ties, i'm free to concentrate on myself and doing what i see as living a satisfactory life, whether you brand that finding love, or happiness whatever.

i could of course ask you the same question? what is the point of living just for a religion. i see that it gives you a purpose in that you are trying to obtain a good place with god or whatever, but how is that different from obtaining a good standing with yourself? if our purpose in life is the afterlife, that just seems silly to me.

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As for your comment on nothing logical about religion... how can you justify that? While I'll admit you can't call God on a payphone or witness miracles and other supernatural events(like back in the old day) - how can you discount personal testimonies and documents explaining these things, which were embraced by the people that lived during that time? Just curious. Not even sure if anyone is talking about this subject anymore. Good stuff, though. Thought provoking, at least.

the first thing that jumps out at me from this is witnessing miracles like back in the old day. how can we be sure that there were any miracles to begin with and not just someone's ignorant misinterpretation of the world? i for one do not believe in the bible. i believe that there is historical significance to it definitely, but the stories within to me are merely alegory. the only way i can see justifying a religion to myself, and lets just take for instance christianity, is if i myself have become witness to some sort of miracle. anything short of that will always leave me in doubt.

i don't mean to offend you, but i think it is a little ridiculous to so easily accept things that we know so little about, in this case past miracles. do you also believe in the miracles of other religions through out history? do you believe that the egyptians or the romans stories of gods and whatever are true as well? of course not. so why do we so easily attribute the writings of chrisitian thought to so high a position?

i'll admit. one of my biggest problems with christianity is the church. i think i could write a book on the corruption and mis guidance of the church to its followers. and these are the people that created the writings that we are meant to believe? why would one thing be left untouched and pure when so much has been contaminated? it just sounds like a lot of crap to me. i'm sure this is nothing that you haven't heard before hehehe.

orbax you sure do refer to hitler a lot in your posts....


and the first time around, i was simply speaking my mind...i worded it that way instead of saying, "guys who say that are usually gay themselves"....it would have been obvious that i was referring to you, so i just came out and said it anyway to cut straight to the point. i can't help but see your posts in a black and white way....meaning, that if it wasn't true, you wouldn't have gotten all bent out of shape and pissed off at me for assuming that maybe you had gay tendencies earlier in life and are ashamed of them.

i'm not saying you're gay, but i just found it funny that you reacted so offensively.

after you started putting subtle threats in your posts to me, like, "i wouldn't do that if i were you"...or something along the lines of that, yea, i did push buttons on purpose because i don't put up with stuff like that. don't mess with me unless you can handle being messed with back.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

there was a green flaky thing at the bottom of my cup that looked like a booger, but I drank it anyways because im fucking crazy and boogers cant get me down baby