Sorry guyz and gals there is absolutely positively no way any of you (Big/Small reocod companies) will be able to stop illegal mp3's for the fact that you need to distribute promos and such to promote your releases. Sad really, but not even Metallica can put a dent in this!!!.....honestly, and I say this with humbleness, what makes you think 2 or 3 label companies can stop this???

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In a way I think it's good that people are including songs like that in their mixes even if they didnt get a promo copy of the vinyl, it still gets airplay and recognition across various online radio stations or from people who download a mix and go "oo I wanna buy that on vinyl" ...

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Forgot to mention before, you must remember that not all "mp3 downloaders" have no intentions of buying the song(s) on vinyl.

I download mp3s sometimes via various methods and I have EVERY intention of buying the song(s) on 12" if I like them.

You cannot beat 12"s at the end of the day, in a way I can understand the average trancelover wants to listen to stuff on his IPOD if he's on a trip or something and wants to hear the latest stuff and/or cant afford to buy vinyls at £7 a time which is how it is for us UK people....

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Originally posted by Frase I'm a bedroom DJ too. However my passion for trance music is strong, the tunes i buy supports the artists and the labels to produce & release fantastic music in the future so my passion for the scene remains.

A bit harsh, don't you think? You don't even know me personally. My passion is strong as hell, just like yours. Why would I have invested $3000 into dj equipment if it wasn't? I buy when I can, but apparentely that is not good enough for people. I don't purchase 30+ records a week like some people. I buy what I like, and support the artists that I like. If I hear something, no matter how I hear it, that I don't like, I won't buy it. Plain and simple. I don't dj with mp3's either, in case you want to know, as I am not into the cd dj'ing yet.

The bottom line is that mp3's are used for me to decide what to buy and what not to buy. Disagree with that if you want, but I'm sorry, that's how I do things. The mp3's are out there, blame the release groups, not me. It is a simple way to discover new tunes.

I don't know how else to explain myself. You yourself agree with me, money needs to be prioritized. Then why the pissy attitude if my ways of learning about EDM and my buying habits are different than yours? I still don't understand where you get off calling all my reasons "excuses".

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I've been a member on tranceaddict since day one... i remember before they even had a forum here this site was just a small mp3 site, offering trance tracks...



I find it Ironic mp3 bashers are trying to spread the word about anti mp3, and promoting their record label, on a site that for over a year dealt with pretty much just mp3 downloads....

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Originally posted by BigTongue I've been a member on tranceaddict since day one... i remember before they even had a forum here this site was just a small mp3 site, offering trance tracks... I find it Ironic mp3 bashers are trying to spread the word about anti mp3, and promoting their record label, on a site that for over a year dealt with pretty much just mp3 downloads....

there's much more to TA than just the MP3'age that used to be there this is the best place on the earth to chat about the most wonderful music on this earth!

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue A bit harsh, don't you think? You don't even know me personally. My passion is strong as hell, just like yours. Why would I have invested $3000 into dj equipment if it wasn't? I buy when I can, but apparentely that is not good enough for people. I don't purchase 30+ records a week like some people. I buy what I like, and support the artists that I like. If I hear something, no matter how I hear it, that I don't like, I won't buy it. Plain and simple. I don't dj with mp3's either, in case you want to know, as I am not into the cd dj'ing yet. The bottom line is that mp3's are used for me to decide what to buy and what not to buy. Disagree with that if you want, but I'm sorry, that's how I do things. The mp3's are out there, blame the release groups, not me. It is a simple way to discover new tunes. I don't know how else to explain myself. You yourself agree with me, money needs to be prioritized. Then why the pissy attitude if my ways of learning about EDM and my buying habits are different than yours? I still don't understand where you get off calling all my reasons "excuses".

Ok, Apologies for the harshness, that was silly of me to assume your passion isnt there. The reasons you give are all, "but this" and "but that" hence why they appear as excuses to me. In my opinion i full rip of a tune doesn't sit with me very good. If your a bedroom dj like myself, the most you need is the lead up to before the break. The breakdown itself and after the break. Not the full rip imo.

Live sets or radio shows imo are a more acceptable way of hearing music upfront, they'res plenty out there and with the new tracks on, but still not ripping off the artists as such.

Release groups are a different kettle of fish, they have no morals. Hence why the people who listen to the music need to understand the insides out of how it does affect the industry, may not in financial terms, but the long term effects it could lead to labels/artists. There being some others could stop the chain at some point with sharing the copyrighted material about it.

As ive stated already once in this thread, whenever you chaps get a tune signed or actually work at or start up a record label, then you'll realise the headaches and hardwork which goes into it for you guys to enjoy EDM.

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Thanks again guys for all your comments on this subject. I find many of your answers interesting!!

But no matter which way you put it or what excuse's you make, Downloading from sharegroups is illegal... how many of you drive a car without insurance because you can't afford it!!!! Exactly.. you don't.. you save.. same theory..

And for your info.. I have never and will never download music from the net.. of any genre..

In response to the point about the money.. this is not about the artist who made the track... they are not putting £100's into pressing / mastering / promoting etc etc.. it's us.. the small record labels who do it.

I see that this discussion will go-on for some time now.. I just hope it can make a small difference!!

Andy

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Originally posted by bagguley But no matter which way you put it or what excuse's you make, Downloading from sharegroups is illegal... how many of you drive a car without insurance because you can't afford it!!!! Exactly.. you don't.. you save.. same theory..

Not trying to be harsh in any way, but that is a really bad analogy. If downloading music and driving without insurance were on the same level of the penalty scale, there'd be a hell of a lot less people downloading music.

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Originally posted by bagguley In response to the point about the money.. this is not about the artist who made the track... they are not putting £100's into pressing / mastering / promoting etc etc.. it's us.. the small record labels who do it. I see that this discussion will go-on for some time now.. I just hope it can make a small difference!!

no one gives a fuck about the label man, seriously. i love a&b, smith&pledger, and Super8... but i don't honestly give a fuck about anjunabeats and their 'vinyl pressing'. quit bitching dude, people respect artists for their music, not the labels out their sweating and toiling over new releases.

oh, and you can 'hope' all you wan't, you've made no difference.

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>Elevation + Gabriel & Dresden - Athena
>Ozgur Can - Illusions
>Starkid - Crayons (Leama & Moor's In Loving Memory Of Starkid Remix)
>Vadim Zhukov - Moscow Morning
>Perry O'Neil - Arise
>Super 8 - Cr8
>Delerium feat. Sarah Mclachlan - Silence (Above & Beyond's 21st Century Remix)

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Originally posted by KidConscious no one gives a fuck about the label man, seriously. i love a&b, smith&pledger, and Super8... but i don't honestly give a fuck about anjunabeats and their 'vinyl pressing'. quit bitching dude, people respect artists for their music, not the labels out their sweating and toiling over new releases. oh, and you can 'hope' all you wan't, you've made no difference.

You really are a fucking tool. It's tossers like you & your attitude which fucking bring a bad name to this place

I take that offensively, I worked at Anjunabeats for 3 months. Not only do they slog their guts off to produce music aswell as get the label going. Being a small label themselves its difficult enough. This is what's given me the line of thought i have now, and im glad it has.

The fact of the matter is that if it werent for the labels you wouldnt hear the tunes today. They provide the medium it comes out on.

Do yourself a favour, do a little more research into the logistics and come back and present your opinion with some common sense and some intelligence. Because you lack both currently.

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