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Originally posted by tu_face i know. i refer to my original quote, as i think you have lost what i was trying to say: unless of course you are a muslim, in which case god didn't tell the jews anything of the sort, hence the argument. please, read what i write before quoting me

oh, i read every word u post. u throw up good arguements. but you are right in that sense, that if u are muslim, allah didnt tell the jews anything. but im just going to say i believe in Yahweh, Jehovah, the father of jesus, the god of abraham isaac and jacob. so i believe my god DID tell the jews something, a promise, because its in the bible, not because im just biased towards the jews.

i know i may sound religious or whatnot, but this is my opinion and everybody wants to talk about freedom and democracy, but if someone talks about god, many of u want to sush us up such as alphastarr who hasnt thrown up any conprehensive arguement at all or added anything to the debate which could be disputed using creditable information that can be researched. cant do that when the only thing to argue against is a "cocksucker" and other childish language.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} second only to "America" and "God" get off your soapbox, that man did ten thousand times the amount for people than you could ever hope to think about doing in your life.

Yeah... Like ripping them off. Get your shit straight, numbnuts! By some estimates, if his stash was devided among "his people", each Palestinian would get about $2,200 (in US funds).

Little Math excersise:
Arafat's wealth estimate: Anywhere between $3 Bln to $6.4 Bln (read here: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=71727)

Palestinian Population: about 2.9 - 3 Mln

6.4bln/2.9mln ~= $2,200 each.

Not a bad inheritance, by Palestinian measures...

Oh, one more thing... Take a look at the real accomplishments of a beloved Arafat: http://www.meforum.org/article/645 - written by fellow Arab. But of course, you'll probably recite one of your Zionist theories and say that it was written by a Jew.

Yup... no lost opportunities for antisemites, yet not realizing that it's not just the Jews that arabs want to kill... but I guess you're too inbred to notice that.

So, here's my conclusion: good riddance, tfui, tfui, tfui.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza FYI: Guess what country has the most UN violations? Not Iraq. But our persecuted friend Israel .

That's because UN is full of antisemitic biggots, just like you. US is the only country that seems to be understand that. Oh, I'm sorry - you didn't want to be classified as antisemite. Whoops, sorry I blew your cover. But I'm sure that you're going to convince me that you're not a Jew hater, and as a matter of fact you have quite a few Jewish friends, and even helped a Jew or something like that - you know, the standard response I hear from closet-case antisemites.

C'mon, don't be afraid to stand up for what you believe in! Grab a gun, put on your white sheets and head out to fight for Palestinian cause. Don't just sit there... do something about it. Go out, kill a Jew or two, make this world a better place! That's what you really want, isn't it? C'mon, don't be shy - there are plenty of supporters of your school of thought here. Time to mingle! Or better yet, light up some torches, grab some gasoline soaked-crosses and dust off those KKK regalia. March on Christian soldiers! March on!


fucking tossers....

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Originally posted by CynepMeH That's because UN is full of antisemitic biggots, just like you. US is the only country that seems to be understand that. Oh, I'm sorry - you didn't want to be classified as antisemite. Whoops, sorry I blew your cover. But I'm sure that you're going to convince me that you're not a Jew hater, and as a matter of fact you have quite a few Jewish friends, and even helped a Jew or something like that - you know, the standard response I hear from closet-case antisemites. C'mon, don't be afraid to stand up for what you believe in! Grab a gun, put on your white sheets and head out to fight for Palestinian cause. Don't just sit there... do something about it. Go out, kill a Jew or two, make this world a better place! That's what you really want, isn't it? C'mon, don't be shy - there are plenty of supporters of your school of thought here. Time to mingle! Or better yet, light up some torches, grab some gasoline soaked-crosses and dust off those KKK regalia. March on Christian soldiers! March on! fucking tossers....

So the reason why Israel has the most UN violations is because the entire world is anti-Semitic (including myself} except the noble United States government. Wow that was a great explanation.

Again you hide behind this bullshit anti-Semitic non-sense to cover the murders, hatred, and injustice Israel has done over the last 40 years.


Sorry but your anti-Semitic argument isn't going to work on someone who knows foreign policy. Please try again


I highly recommend you pick up a history book and start to read before you opine.


Best,

Dave


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Your anti-Semitic bullshit is the reason why intelligent people never opine in this topic. Because once you begin to look at Israelis critically you are labeled anti-Semitic. We have to understand and appreciate each other. If that means that our understanding gives us a method to critical analyze and help groups live in peace than so be it.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King If the Natives came with GUNS and terrorist groups in the thousands and with the help of the UN was granted 56% of the United states, for a NATIVE INDIAN POPULATED NATION only, eventhough they were the minority.. im sure YOU WOULD NOT APPRECIATE THIS!!!!

Cyrus - did I ever tell you you're my favorite muppet?

I suppose Can-o-duh was established on a patch of land not occupied by those pesky natives. Oh, shoot... I forgot, it's ok to bash America - they are the ones who killed them Injuns... We Canadians, were invited here by the local tribes... So them and us are really tight an' all, we just chillin' wit' da natives.

Cyrus, where are your ancestors from? I'm curious, coz' you should go back there - since you have such a problem with people occupying other people's territory and taking their land. You should do your part - give up your belongings to the nearest natives - they should not be too difficult to find (hint: try a Reservation).

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Originally posted by CynepMeH Cyrus - did I ever tell you you're my favorite muppet? I suppose Can-o-duh was established on a patch of land not occupied by those pesky natives. Oh, shoot... I forgot, it's ok to bash America - they are the ones who killed them Injuns... We Canadians, were invited here by the local tribes... So them and us are really tight an' all, we just chillin' wit' da natives. Cyrus, where are your ancestors from? I'm curious, coz' you should go back there - since you have such a problem with people occupying other people's territory and taking their land. You should do your part - give up your belongings to the nearest natives - they should not be too difficult to find (hint: try a Reservation).

Thus more rationale why Israel should kill as many Palestine people as possible so it too can secure lands it wants. Just like its big brother America.

I think building a great wall will also help in accomplishing this goal. I think construction has already begun.

Jews has suffered enough in history so its time we just let them do whatever the fuck they want. Even if that means they kill and displace millions of people.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH That's because UN is full of antisemitic biggots, just like you. US is the only country that seems to be understand that.

ok...

so, let me get this straight, the whole world is antisemitic?

are you sure it isn't just the whole world being sick and tired of the israeli government not doing what they have been asked to do by the UN?

surely not... that would be logical.

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Originally posted by tu_face ok... so, let me get this straight, the whole world is antisemitic? are you sure it isn't just the whole world being sick and tired of the israeli government not doing what they have been asked to do by the UN? surely not... that would be logical.

Well, do me a favor and prove me wrong. Go to UN articles, look up the facts. UN makes it a point to condemn actions of Israel. If Israel listened to UN, it would have not existed period.

Think about this for a second - why none of middleeastern countries, such as Jordan, Sudan, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, or any UAE countries help the Palestinian cause? Every one of these countries made it a point not to allow Palestinians to settle... why?

How come you don't see Gypsies blowing shit up in Romania, claiming it to be their land?

Just curious...

Oh, another point - when was the last time Israeli ventured into a crowded market and blew it up with explosives full of shrapnell?

While we are at it, why not support the cause of people in Afganistan or Iraq? They want their own land and if they want to be Islamic conservatives, who are we to stop them?

Why not let 1 Billion Islamists convert the rest of the infidels?? Why not let any of the empires of the yore reclaim the land that was once under their control?

Bottom line - we are all mixed and intermixed from years and years of cross-polination. We are all the same people, why can't we co-exist? The palestinians who live in Israel enjoy the same freedoms as Israelis. They worship, work, and serve in Military - just like the rest. Palestinians do not want to co-exist with Israel. As a matter of fact, they would eliminate every single Jew from Israel, if given the option. Israel, on the other hand does not make it its agenda to exterminate palestinians.

This argument is really pointless. I won't convince you of my point of view, you won't convince me of yours. Let's agree that we disagree and try to be civil.

As I said before - if you're sympathetic to Palestinian cause - do something about it, don't just rant here. Go throw some stones or strap explosives to yourself - BE SOMEBODY!

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Here are some of Arafat's "accomplishments"... Great Legacy to support:

Yasser Arafat, considered the founder of the modern-day terrorism, began a wave of murder against Jewish targets around the world shortly after taking control of the PLO in 1968-9. For example:


Among the murderous exploits he inspired were the following:

* the Savoy Hotel attack of March 1975, in which seven hostages and two soldiers were killed after Fatah terrorists landed on the beach and seized the hotel.

* the Maalot massacre in May 1974 in which a school building was taken over while children from Tzfat on a school trip were sleeping there. Three teachers and 22 schoolchildren were killed.

* the Munich Olympics slaughter, in which eleven Israeli athletes were killed in September 1972.

* the Nahariya/Avivim school bus attack, May 1970. Palestinian terrorists crossed the border from Lebanon, ambushed the bus with a barrage of gunfire, and murdered 12 children and 3 adults, and left several others crippled.

* the Lod Airport Massacre, May 1972, carried out by three Japanese Red Army terrorists in an operation planned and supported by PLO faction PFLP-GC, killing 26 and wounding 78.

* the Kiryat Shmonah apartment building attack in April 1974: PFLP-GC terrorists penetrated the Israeli border town, entered an apartment building on Yehuda HaLevy St. and killed all 18 residents they found there, including 9 children.


Yasser Arafat - the founder of the modern-day terrorism

* the Coastal Road bus hijacking of March 1978, in which 11 Fatah terrorists ,who infiltrated by sea, killed a photographer and a taxi driver and hijacked a bus filled with adults and many children. The terrorists fired on passing cars from the bus, and when they were finally stopped, they began firing missiles. The massacre left 35 people dead and 100 injured.

* the brutal murder of three U.S. diplomats held hostage in Khartoum, Sudan, in March 1973. The terrorists demanded the release of Sirhan Sirhan, the Palestinian assassin of Robert F. Kennedy. Arafat was recorded as having given the execution orders.

* the Achille Lauro hijacking of a cruise ship in October 1985, in which wheelchair-bound Leon Klinghoffer, 69, was shot and thrown overboard into the ocean. Israeli intelligence later showed that the terrorists had been in contact, via the ship's radio telephone, with a PLF coordinator in Genoa, who in turn was in touch with PLO headquarters in Tunis for final instructions.

Arafat was famous for denying responsibility for the terrorism committed by his underlings. Ion Mihai Pacepa, a former Romanian intelligence official who defected to the West after working closely with Arafat, writes that Romanian dictator Ceausescu advised him how to do this:
"In the shadow of your government-in-exile, you can keep as many operational groups as you want, as long as they are not publicly connected with your name. They could mount endless operations all around the world, while your name and your 'government' would remain pristine and unspoiled, ready for negotiations and further recognition."

Describing Arafat in his memoirs, Pacepa writes that Arafat represented "an incredible account of fanaticism ... of tangled oriental political maneuvers, of lies, of embezzled PLO funds deposited in Swiss banks, and of homosexual relationships, beginning with his teacher when he was a teenager and ending with his current bodyguards. After reading that report, I felt a compulsion to take a shower whenever I had been kissed by Arafat, or even just shaken his hand."

Internationally, in 1972 alone, PLO groups blew up a West German electricity plant, a Dutch gas plant and an oil refinery in Trieste, Italy. In 1975, the presence of Arafat and his 15,000-strong army in Lebanon triggered a bloody civil war that raged on for nearly two decades, costing 40,000 lives.

Arafat was banished from Jordan to Lebanon in 1970 in the course of a violent war against the PLO by King Hussein, and from Lebanon to Tunis in 1982 following the Peace for Galilee War. He orchestrated the first "intifada," beginning in 1987, from Tunis, though it had supposedly started spontaneously.

In 1994, following the Oslo Accords, Arafat was allowed to enter Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Israel essentially forbade him from leaving Ramallah for the last three years of his life. Palestinian terrorists, funded and encouraged by the "statesman" Arafat, have murdered over 1,300 Israelis since the signing of the Oslo Agreement.

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and why does the UN condemn israels actions??????? BECAUSE THE ACTIONS ARE WRONG. just because the UN condemns actions by a country doesn't make them racist towards that country. using that theory you could brand the UN as anti-asian, anti-american, anti-british, anti-korean etc etc etc.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH Think about this for a second - why none of middleeastern countries, such as Jordan, Sudan, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, or any UAE countries help the Palestinian cause? Every one of these countries made it a point not to allow Palestinians to settle... why?

because they want the palestinians to live in their OWN home. you seem to forget the palestinian tent cities of 1944, caused by british and american forces making room for jewish settlers in their 'promised land' (i use apostrophe's there not to take the piss, but because i am not religious and i find the concept of a promised land stupid and rediculous). and you seem to be forgetting the terrorism BY JEWS that pushed israels borders out beyond those which were set by the US and britain.

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How come you don't see Gypsies blowing shit up in Romania, claiming it to be their land?

because gypsies by nature are roaming people who dont have land as such. they dont blow shit up in romania because they don't feel the grudge of millions of people being shifted from their homes to make way to foregn settlers.

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Oh, another point - when was the last time Israeli ventured into a crowded market and blew it up with explosives full of shrapnell?

probably soon after 1944.

at the end of the day though, none of that has anything to do with the whole world being antisemitic. why can't you just deal with the fact that not everybody agrees with what israel is doing. just because they disagree doesn't mean they hate jews.

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Originally posted by tu_face and you seem to be forgetting the terrorism BY JEWS that pushed israels borders out beyond those which were set by the US and britain.

Israelis were the first group of people to use today’s modern methods of terrorism. It worked to expel the Brits and the Americans.

Isn't it ironic that now the Palestine people are using the same form of terrorism against the Jews to expel them from their lands?


Just something for you Zionists to think about.


Again the Israelis are not some innocent people being terrorized by Palestine people. Israel has done their fair share to create this mess also. It’s about time people start analyzing the problem critically and not opting out of this discussion because they fear to be labeled anti-Semitic.

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