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malek
drinks your milkshake!



Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Montréal

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Originally posted by fastmp3
my syrian friend told me this afternoon it's the beginning of the end in lebanon ...



i heard people with arms in the streets... go figure if its just gossip or the real deal...


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Epicurus
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: New Brunswick, NJ, US / Montreal, QC, Canada

Good article. Click here

We have the Syrian government, the Israeli government/Mossad, some unknown Islamist group that has already claimed the killing (supposedly because Hariri was sympathetic with the Saudi givernment) as suspects. Let the conspiracy theories begin.

Old Post Feb-14-2005 20:35  Lebanon
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malek
drinks your milkshake!



Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Montréal

everything can go really fast now, it could be the start of another civil war. It all depends on what Syria does next.


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Blinckme
Undecided ...



Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Montreal, Qc

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Old Post Feb-14-2005 21:39  Lebanon
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Deejiuana
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Montreal

shocking.....speechless......

Old Post Feb-15-2005 06:55  France
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OrAnGeMeK
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: JUST Montreal, CANADA
1 down, countless more to go

hey every1, malek i was there 2 weeks ago... same spot and if i was there i'd have prolly been blown up to bits... lol a bit of reassurance that coming back shouldn't be so bad lol

Honestly ain't too shockin imo, when sh!t hits the fan.... u know how it goes. I believe some heads will roll this time around and it's gonna get nasty... We need like sh!tproof vests believe me.
Hariri's seen as a hero... sure i'll digest that... he did rebuild, but he did double the deficit :| . as a friend said... 'aratol 7arameh (arabic pun on rob/fcuk the robber)
i see some options here:
- keep em blowin!!! (less mofoz = bound to be better)
- int'l intervention... few fcuks have very big heads need *whip*ing
- ppl take to arms ... nationwide fcukin slaughter (merely a spark - happened... all the chain reaction needs)

ABOUT FCUKING TIME!!!


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malek
drinks your milkshake!



Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Montréal

we need a war in the region... maybe that will convince my best friend to come back to sense and leave those crappy countries


hheheheeh I keed I keeeeeeeeeeeeeed (partly).


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OrAnGeMeK
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: JUST Montreal, CANADA
naaah man

Just need to get the bekaa valley up and running, get every st0ned st00pid then every1 will chill the fcuk up


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Old Post Feb-15-2005 23:48  Lebanon
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fastmp3
ta main sur le zbebs



Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Montreal/Canada & Casablanca/Morocco (the ROOTS of TRANCE)

c'est le bordel a beyrout ils ont tout fermé


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Old Post Feb-16-2005 00:47  Morocco
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Epicurus
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: New Brunswick, NJ, US / Montreal, QC, Canada

Not to sound like a rabid Hariri fan, because I'm not, but the man, though accused of cronyism and corruption, actually did something for Lebanon, which is MUCH more than can be said for any politician currently in Lebanon. Granted, our standards for judging politicians have dramatically decreased when we have to defend corrupt politicians, but at the same time, I can't help but cringe when I think about Lebanon's potential state of affairs had Hariri not stepped in and taken charge.

Yes, the man "doubled" the debt (actually it's more than that but anyway), but you have to place this in context and understand why he did so. Lebanon was just recovering from 17 years of "civil" war (I use that term loosely since it was more of a free for anyone to settle his debts on Lebanese soil type of war) and the country was completely destroyed and ravaged. The economic situation was dire, amongst so many other things. Infrastructure needed to be rebuilt from scratch, the services sector, which constitutes 75% of the Lebanese economy, was non-existant, investor confidence had to be restored and so on and so forth. He basically decided to apply trickle-down-effect economics, where the government would borrow heavily in order to rebuild the country, especially the essential infrastructure of the country, in the hopes of creating jobs domestically and attracting foreign investment from outside. Furthermore, Hariri was an extrememly influential businessman, who had very powerful friends whom he convinced to invest in Lebanon, specifically Beirut, which he proceeded to rebuild from scratch.

The effect of all of this borrowing and re-construction resulted in the desired effects when we examine areas of the economy such as the banking sector and the tourism industry, not to mention the results on the ground (see Beirut downtown). Never has there been more liquidity in Lebanese banks in the past 20 years, largely due to the fact that Hariri, with Saudi connections, was able to attract rich Arab businessmen from the Gulf to invest in our economy. The tourism industry was booming over the last two years, again mainly because people from the Gulf were coming in droves (September 11th also played a role). According to the Ministry of Tourism, over 1.2 million tourists visited Lebanon over the past year, an increase of over 30% from the previous one, and a 50% increase from the year previous to that. And then of course, with regards to the spiralling debt, he managed to sign the Paris 2 deal which gave the government over 3 billion $ to play with once France and some Gulf countries agreed to participate in the reconstruction effort.

But most importantly in my opinion, he was someone that represented Lebanese interests rather well around the world, and had great drawing power both on a political and business front. His presence will be missed, as he always gave a similee of stability to an otherwise chaotic Lebanese situation.

So all in all, his record is indeed a mixed bag, but at least there is a substancial positive side to his legacy, which is MUCH more than anyone can say about any other Lebanese politician currently running the government. So in that sense, I completely disagree with people attempting to lump him into the "Atrocious Middle Eastern Politician Clan" - see 1 down, countless more to go. In fact, he is one of the very few Arab politicians I would not have lynched or at least shot at very close range, had I had the opportunity to do so.

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fastmp3
ta main sur le zbebs



Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Montreal/Canada & Casablanca/Morocco (the ROOTS of TRANCE)

le politicien druze (opposition) je me rappele plus de son nom , il a directement accusé la syrie et le gouvernement libanais actuel


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AnitA
"You bleed like Mai Li"



Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Caught in a Mosh

Yallah! Yallah! Habibs! I LOVE chicken shawarma.........especially the ones they make @ Montforts!! I haven't tasted anything as good since i've been back in Australia.....another excuse to go back to Canada


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