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Originally posted by Dervish ^ Exactly, I mean what if "the victim" has lied (entirely possible it actually happens quite alot) you've beaten up (maybe killed?) an innocent person, who is to blame the lying victim or you....

If its a good firned or family member you will know. I dont agree with reading random stories in papers and going around kicking the shit out of them.


I aint gonna lie and say "oh i would let the courts sort it out". If someone raped a family member, goodnight.

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Don't get me wrong what I might do is different to what I should do. And in the end I'd have to ask wether what I'm doing was for me or for the family member or whatever.

Would they like to see that the person not only semi-fucked up their life but also mine too just over the heads of a little kickin (or if more a killing, totally fucked up).

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Originally posted by Dervish Don't get me wrong what I might do is different to what I should do. And in the end I'd have to ask wether what I'm doing was for me or for the family member or whatever. Would they like to see that the person not only semi-fucked up their life but also mine too just over the heads of a little kickin (or if more a killing, totally fucked up).

i'd make sure i wasnt cauht, also make sure not too kill. Just teach him a proper lesson. I wouldnt tell the family of my actions, be worried they would tell me not too.

And i really dont think i could stand by and do nothing, expecially if he got away with it.

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Originally posted by Michael19 I wouldnt tell the family of my actions, be worried they would tell me not too.

But then arn't you doing it for you rather than them?

But yeah if they were getting off and you knew you wouldn't get caught the case for a bit of DIY does become compeling (even though you would have to face upto it if you got caught).

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Orbs, I thought you were a Christian? You don't practice what you preach? In a civilized society, you must allow the system to execute justice. If you decide to take justice into your own hands, you are not only thwarting the system, you are playing God. What right do you have to play God? God does not grant you that right. You are not all knowing. You are not the judge of man. Christians believe that in the end, all answer to God. Your rapist will stand before your God and answer for his actions. I agree with M@t and Dervs, here. Arbitch Arbiter, you surprise me.

Now, thats very condescending and preachy, but it isnt realistic. You have "faith" in the system that puts rapists in jail for 4 years and pot smokers in for 8. You have people who downloaded microsoft products in FEDERAL prison for 20 years minimum. and you want me to trust this? You have a very ignorant, if utopian, outlook. To be honest, im not shocked at all that you would have this opinion.

We can argue about how Jesus flattened temples, and God ordered the wiping out of entire villages in the old testament, but it gets us no where. If divine justice was something, we wouldnt have terrestrial laws. As a woman, you have no idea what a mans role in society is. You talk about peace, when it has been won by the blood of thousands of men.

You have no place to judge my level of christianity. If you think God wants us to stand by and let men rape women and then trust our shitty systems that do nothing, that would be calling God irrational and unrealistic, and that is way more blasphemous in my opinion.

Try to use like...reason and stuff instead of pseudo religious catechisms.

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Originally posted by Orbax Now, thats very condescending and preachy, but it isnt realistic.

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You have a very ignorant, if utopian, outlook. To be honest, im not shocked at all that you would have this opinion.

yeah how UN-condesecening and UNprechy....

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As a woman, you have no idea what a mans role in society is. You talk about peace, when it has been won by the blood of thousands of men.

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You have no place to judge my level of christianity. If you think God wants us to stand by and let men rape women and then trust our shitty systems that do nothing, that would be calling God irrational and unrealistic, and that is way more blasphemous in my opinion.

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Try to use like...reason and stuff instead of pseudo religious catechisms.

Are you serious?


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Originally posted by Dervish But then arn't you doing it for you rather than them? But yeah if they were getting off and you knew you wouldn't get caught the case for a bit of DIY does become compeling (even though you would have to face upto it if you got caught).

I would be doing for myself, i dont mind admitting that. I would find it hard to sleep at night knowing the person was still out there.

Also if he caught away with it, whats to stop him doing it again? chopping his nuts off thats what!

TOuch wood i never have to deal with it though, cant imagine a lot of things worse to deal with!

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GOd doesnt exist, so why is he being brought into this?

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Originally posted by Slylee exactly. i never cared much to go that in-depth when calling orbax out cuz he always just gets outraged and comes back something like, "SHUT UR IGNORANT MOUTH BITCH! get back in the kitchen"!!! no but seriously orbax, it's true, ur kind of a hypocrite w/ the whole bible reading christian boy persona, then the next minute ur justifying revenge....doesn't add up, that's all.

Yeah, Im such a hypocrite. Wait how does that saying go? The greatest evil is the inaction of good men? Im sure youd be tickled pink when your dad, brother, and boyfriend all told you to just call the cops and say "hey im just a man, what do you expect ME to do about it"

You have a very narrow view of religion if you think being religious is a monk on a mountain top somewhere doing no wrong.

The paradox is the good employee. If you had an employee that NEVER did ANYTHING wrong but never did anything right either, and one that kind of screwed up sometimes, but for good reasons and usually was on the right track; which would you want?

Im glad youre pulling out my kitchen joke still, I thought it was pretty funny glad you did too.

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Originally posted by Dervish yeah how UN-condesecening and UNprechy....

it is, but its realistic, which was the point if you read the whole sentence before spastically hitting the quote button.

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no youre right, women know exactly what its like to be a man in our society. Just like you know whats its like to be a woman? There are roles and feelings one of a different sex CANT know unless you are that sex. I dont see how this is confusing.

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Are you serious?

I try not to be.

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Originally posted by Arbiter In a civilized society, rape and similar crimes wouldn't happen to begin with. Civilization is a myth, a type of moral-intellecutal masturbation which we perpetuate as a means to avoid dealing with the profound impotence of our feeble institutions and the cataclysmic failure that is our society.

what echo of silence said

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Originally posted by Arbiter That is, after all, the only type of genuine morality one can find in this world: to be true to one's convictions. "Society," "civilization," the "system" - these are shallow, empty idols no less so than "God."

Your convictions have been formed and moulded by society though have they not. Therefore you are a product of the system, your morality being based upon the cultures and philosophies youve grown up around.
I dunno where im going with this to be fair, just wanted to say lol

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Originally posted by Orbax You have no place to judge my level of christianity. If you think God wants us to stand by and let men rape women and then trust our shitty systems that do nothing, that would be calling God irrational and unrealistic, and that is way more blasphemous in my opinion.

Sorry to say it, but God very clearly (at least God of the Christian Bible) states that we are to be subserviant to our authorities. I believe it's in Romans, but I can try to find the chapter, if you like. I'm not saying that I wouldn't do anything about it, but I certainly wouldn't justify it in God's eyes.

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