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Originally posted by DigiNut Hah, why am I not surprised that the n00bs are jumping on me about the definition of trance. Let me guess, you've been listening to it since 2000 or later? Early trance was more like psytrance, minus the Hindi/Israeli influences and a little slower tempo. Anyway, what possible incentive would there be for me to define "trance" as just the music I like? I really don't like a lot of the dark stuff. I find it repetitive as hell. And I have no problem with Euro either - it's a bit syrupy but I'd take E-Type over Britney Spears any day of the week. I'm simply telling the truth about the history of the genre. Everything changed around 1999-2000, when producers finally started making tracks with more commercial appeal, then started drawing in a commercial crowd, which demanded MORE commercial tracks, etc. - it's a vicious circle now, one from which I doubt there is any escape. Some of you probably hate hearing this because for the past few months/years you've been telling yourself how cool you are because you listen to this rare underground music and get sexually aroused when your neighbour yells at you to turn it down. Get over yourselves - not only is it powerfully immature to define yourself based on the music you listen to, but the music is still basically pop music.

Definition of trance?... It's pretty simple mate

"Trance" is just repetetive rythms. It has been around for thousands of years. Indigenous people used it (and uses it) to get in a state of trance, whilst they dance around the fire. That is the reason why the genre was called "trance". The beat was repetitive, and repetitive rythms gets you in a state of trance. Nowadays you can do this together with your host, Armin van Buuren, if you like.


Bump, btw

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Im interested in what Psycode is talking about...

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Originally posted by DJ Sound Im interested in what Psycode is talking about... ..

dont bother.. it sounds like shiiet.. no good kick ever came from no virus -_-

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Can anyone with FL Studio set this up with the native fx?

I did all the settings and it sounds like shit. I have to be doing something wrong unless I've been accidentally producing better kicks for the last few years w/out knowing it.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Can anyone with FL Studio set this up with the native fx? I did all the settings and it sounds like shit. I have to be doing something wrong unless I've been accidentally producing better kicks for the last few years w/out knowing it.

Like he say's dude, these settings are guidelines, work FROM these not WITH these

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hi me again newby, excellent post dave i only just found this site its pretty cool.

Can some one show me what the notch filter q thing looks like . eg post a pic of it or something cheers!

if its what i think it is
ive gone to channel eq on logic lselected 1. under q and gain/slop -18db and freq to 800hz and its spread out in the picture of the wave thinger from 10k to 50hz
please help cheers guys

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Originally posted by mysticalninja dont bother.. it sounds like shiiet.. no good kick ever came from no virus -_-

that's not entirely true IMHO. It's just a question of synthesis in fact. For what it's worth I remember using a kick from the virus when I had one. Of course you need to add some process too.

As I said before, the best synthesis to make electronic kick drums is FM synthesis as it boasts several envelopes and lets you create exactly and precisely what you want to hear. But you have to make sure that the synth provides a huge pitch amplitude envelope (+-48). AFAIK fm8 and operator do, I don't know about the DX7.

Keep in mind that the 909 kick was based on fm synthesis. the click with variable attack is only possible with FM.

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Originally posted by Dave West I've had one or two PMs lately asking me how to get a good Kick sound. This seems to be as a consequence of my questioning the virility of some kicks that are showing up in tracks for review. The sound of these kicks have varied, from light window-tapping to puke hitting the pan of a WC. So here goes. These settings are very, very specific and have taken a lot of time to get right. They work for me, so they might just work for you. If some of the settings seem odd or bizarre, try them first before flaming me saying "That can't be right"...

First time reading this - thank you!

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Originally posted by gerrycueto very good advice... another thing I do to get a good kick is to generate your own bass kick using a descending sine wave or triangle wave under a highpass filtered good quality high endy kick sample... that way you have more control than just EQ and compression... you actually have control where the landing of the kick takes place and exactly what freq range you want it to peirce through the track. I like having more control over my kicks than just using premade samples. As far I see with the posts here, I don't think there is a definitive way of working with kicks in tracks... some kicks need to pound in different frequencies to really stand out... I don't think there is a one-set mixing solution, how the thread suggests. I use similar tactics for kicks but I end up doing something slightly different on each track.

a lot of times i take a kick and run it through extreme distortion and you can start to hear a definative note. try this with a 909 kick. say this note is C. does that mean that the undistorted regular kick sample has the most powerful sound in the C area of its decending pitch? or does this mean that the C note is the average note on the downward slope of the pitch?

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Originally posted by piku303 a lot of times i take a kick and run it through extreme distortion and you can start to hear a definative note. try this with a 909 kick. say this note is C. does that mean that the undistorted regular kick sample has the most powerful sound in the C area of its decending pitch? or does this mean that the C note is the average note on the downward slope of the pitch?

usually it has more to do with the distortion type than with the actual pitch envelope slope.

typically i would change the settings and the same "note" would be heard. are you saying that its possible for a dist. to attentuate a certain frequency in the pitch's slope so much that thats the primary frequency heard? if so then if you tuned the bass drum up and down slightly while keeping the same distortion settings, you would not hear a change in pitch. this is why i thing that distortion attentuates the fundamental, or average of the kicks pitch sound. more people please jump in and commnet, id like to know why distortion brings out an identifiable pitch from a kick. i have heard that when dist. is added to a kick it while turn the kick in to a square wave. this effect is used all the time in hardcore/gabber to make those tuned kicks.