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Originally posted by Psy-T it's fun to discuss such abstract matters as established universal facts, isn't it?

Well you seem to be doing it by suggesting that there is a "correct" interpretation of poetry.

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and many other poets do not deliberately write poems so that the received interpretation reflects the reader.

Not to such a degree, but almost all poets write so that there can be more than one interpretation. I've never known a significant poet (IE: not a kid or amateur) who writes poems with one distinct definition and no room for personal interpretation.

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one instance does not prove the rule. especially when that instance isn't from the relevant field.

This is why you clearly don't know much about poetry or literature at all. Critics of poetry will all come up with different meanings, sometimes very slightly and sometimes very greatly. Are you suggesting that these critics are wrong for not thinking the exact same as poet? Bullshit. I used an example of the play because it's a famous example of an artform which is not usually regarded as quite so ambiguous as poetry. I could easily have used an example from Shakespeare, who uses poetry and verse extensively in his plays.

As has been pointed out, words have different connotations to different people. Poetic devices are intended to be evocative, but what they evoke is down to the reader. Most poetry aims for a general message, but not a rigid, defined one. In fact, that's the antithesis of poetry. You can interpret poems in totally the wrong way, but that's due to your own misunderstanding.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Well you seem to be doing it by suggesting that there is a "correct" interpretation of poetry.

while i'm questioning, you're trying to iterate supposedly established facts.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Not to such a degree, but almost all poets write so that there can be more than one interpretation. I've never known a significant poet (IE: not a kid or amateur) who writes poems with one distinct definition and no room for personal interpretation.

what, is there supposed to be some disclaimer attached to a poem instructing us on whether we should bother interpreting it or not?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J This is why you clearly don't know much about poetry or literature at all. Critics of poetry will all come up with different meanings, sometimes very slightly and sometimes very greatly. Are you suggesting that these critics are wrong for not thinking the exact same as poet? Bullshit. I used an example of the play because it's a famous example of an artform which is not usually regarded as quite so ambiguous as poetry. I could easily have used an example from Shakespeare, who uses poetry and verse extensively in his plays. As has been pointed out, words have different connotations to different people. Poetic devices are intended to be evocative, but what they evoke is down to the reader. Most poetry aims for a general message, but not a rigid, defined one. In fact, that's the antithesis of poetry. You can interpret poems in totally the wrong way, but that's due to your own misunderstanding.

and this is why you clearly don't know much about philosophy.
even if you could comprehensively prove to me that poetry up till today has been considered by authors and readers to have no correct interpretation for the most part, it says absolutely nothing regarding whether it ought to have a correct interpretation.

the very existence of a 'work' that has no correct interpretation is debatable.


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i choose to consider the post i'm replying to as another poem that supports my side of the argument - i'm not wrong in doing so, am i?

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Ok I listened to it on beatport and I gotta say that's actually pretty damn good. It's repetitive, but somehow I'm not bored of it. Great find Jimmy!

just so you don't get this wrong. alot of the old trance tunes are quite repetetive and rhythmic compared to the tunes of today. back then there were no 3 min breaks and screaming bitches shouting out stuff about lost love and eternity.

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Originally posted by Psy-T "Color is the perception of the frequency of light". we can know the frequency, hence we can know the colour we all see, and it matters fuck-all if your perception would have led to a different naming scheme than the one used in everyday life, you still perceive the same frequencies as the rest of us.

these frequencies are a human construction, cause there is no other way how we should describe the colours we see. people had to made this up in need of the understanding. people need to understand everything they see/hear/feel/sense, so they have to make up some rules sometimes in case the reason why it happens is not obvious.

it does not prove i see the same colours as you do, nonetheless.

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Originally posted by paulandrews these frequencies are a human construction, cause there is no other way how we should describe the colours we see. people had to made this up in need of the understanding. people need to understand everything they see/hear/feel/sense, so they have to make up some rules sometimes in case the reason why it happens is not obvious. it does not prove i see the same colours as you do, nonetheless.

"Electromagnetic radiation is characterized by its wavelength (or frequency) and the intensity or number of photons at each different wavelength. When this radiation has a wavelength inside the human visibility range (approximately from 380 nm to 740 nm), it is known as "visible light" or light within the (human) visible spectrum. A spectrum is a plot that records the intensity at each wavelength. The full spectrum (or distribution of color intensities) of the incoming radiation from an object determines the visual appearance of that object, including its perceived color."

frequencies are not a human construction.

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Originally posted by Psy-T "Electromagnetic radiation is characterized by its wavelength (or frequency) and the intensity or number of photons at each different wavelength. When this radiation has a wavelength inside the human visibility range (approximately from 380 nm to 740 nm), it is known as "visible light" or light within the (human) visible spectrum. A spectrum is a plot that records the intensity at each wavelength. The full spectrum (or distribution of color intensities) of the incoming radiation from an object determines the visual appearance of that object, including its perceived color." frequencies are not a human construction.

they are. would they exist without people?

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Originally posted by paulandrews they are. would they exist without people?

Defining or naming something does not prove its existence.


Did trees exist before someone said, "Hey. That's a tree."

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Originally posted by paulandrews they are. would they exist without people?

yes.

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Originally posted by david.michael Defining or naming something does not prove its existence. Did trees exist before someone said, "Hey. That's a tree."

No.

Frequencies exist thank to things that were made up by people. Hence they are a human construction.

It´s obvious that trees exist without naming them, all you have to have to see them is eyes which you have naturally, there´s no need to make them up first.

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Originally posted by Psy-T yes.

no.

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Originally posted by paulandrews Frequencies exist thank to things that were made up by people. Hence they are a human construction.

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Originally posted by paulandrews No. Frequencies exist thank to things that were made up by people. Hence they are a human construction. It´s obvious that trees exist without naming them, all you have to have to see them is eyes which you have naturally, there´s no need to make them up first.

there's a difference between existing and being detectable.


look, you're obviously out of your element, don't you think it's time you give it a rest?

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