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Originally posted by LazFX Any attack made by the Iranians against Israel would be a useless gesture. The US is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest you get use to it!!!

I don't know if you are being serious, sarcastic, witty or downright arrogant but if only things were so simple, as we all see that ultimate universal power has brought wonderful stability to Iraq. I once again reiterate attacking Iraq only strengthened the Iranians instead of any divide and conquer as Q5echo suggests, after all we know what great allies Iran and Iraq were. Its not up to me to get used to anything I don't live in Beirut, Haifa, Tehran or Damascus to name a few.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I don't know if you are being serious, sarcastic, witty or downright arrogant but if only things were so simple, as we all see that ultimate universal power has brought wonderful stability to Iraq. I once again reiterate attacking Iraq only strengthened the Iranians instead of any divide and conquer as Q5echo suggests, after all we know what great allies Iran and Iraq were. Its not up to me to get used to anything I don't live in Beirut, Haifa, Tehran or Damascus to name a few.

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VADER The plans you refer to will soon be back in our hands. MOTTI Any attack made by the Rebels against this station would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained. This station is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use it! VADER Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

the knowledge of George will show us the way........

not to keen on the uptakes are we??

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The terrorist nation of Israel has become even more vile infront of the world. One soldier is kindnapped by militants from Gaza, so Israel decides to collectively punish 1.3 million palestianians by bombing thier only electrical grid and water supplied. Along with that, just BOMBING them.

look, all thse years we were in Gaza, the world wanted us out. we got out of there. now, Shalit was kidnapped from a god damn military base within Israeli borders. on top of that, the Hamas assholes fire Kassam missiles on Sederot, a city that's located WITHIN ISRAELI BORDERS.
all I can say for the palestinians is fuck you, as I really don't think that a nation that has chosen their leaders to be Hamas deserve less than what IDF has done.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Two soldiers are kidnapped by a some guerrila militants in lebanon, and now Israel decides to bomb the whole country.. whether its a stadium, bridges, buildings, villages, the only airport, or the capital city of Beirut. WHAT A GREAT WAY OF GETTING THE SOLDIER BACK!!! JUST BOMB THE FUCKIN COUNTRY!!

some guerilla militants...don't you want to write Hezbollah?
we got out of Lebanon, why the hell would they want to kidnap IDF soldiers now? the bombing of Lebanon is all about destroying the Hezbollah infrastructures. IDF bombed bridges, roads and the airport to prevent the Hezbollah terrorists from running away with the two soldiers they kidnapped to northern Lebanon and from there to Syria/Iran (like they did with Ron Arad, and he's been murdered).

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Originally posted by Cyrus King This is more than just the soldiers being kindnapped. This is Israel flexing its oversized muscles fueled by the super steroids their gym buddy called USA has provided them for the last 35 years. Is killing 60 innocent lebanese civilians (so far) along with bombing a whole nation... really worth the trouble of getting two soldiers back this way? Couldnt they try to negotiate? HAHAH.. ISRAEL NEGOTIATE!!! AHAHHAHHA!!!

Hezbollah fire their missiles from those homes of the civilians. they use innocent people as human shield. IDF warned the civilians to evacuate from their homes (that were marked as Hezbollah targets).

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Originally posted by LazFX the knowledge of George will show us the way........ not to keen on the uptakes are we??

Ah, gottcha now , was wondering what that gigantic pic was all about, it did have relevancy thought it was your sig for a moment, not big on the Star Wars am I.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan not big on the Star Wars am I.

that, is why you fail.

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Originally posted by psychosomatica The problem there is that Hamas has not taken responsibility for the kidnapping. What we do know is that another group has taken responsibility. If this situation is true, then Hamas is not directly responsible for the kidnapping. Granted, there are linkages, but, that's all they are... an example would be how Michael Moore drew linkages between the Bush clan and the Saudi royal family. I'm actually kind of disappointed that you would imply that it is ok for jewish extremists to retaliate in the same manner. I hold both sides to the same standard. Just because it happened after does not make it any less of a crime. At least it is in my opinion.

all I know is that Hamas kidnapped Shalit, becaue I saw it on the news. but let's say it didn't, but another group that has ties with Hamas did. you still don't see Israeli groups (that has ties to the government) kidnapping palestinians because they want to.
plus, I didn't say it was ok for this 'organization' to kidnap the palestinians, and I never will. IDF is responsible for the reactions of Israel. those people should be caught, and the palestinians should be returned to their homes. (one more thing tho, the 'organization' claims to have kidnapped the 2 palestinians, there are no proofs yet; and as I said, if it's true they must be caught).

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Lebanon calling for a ceasefire now

lebanon need zidane if theyre gonna survive this thing.

skot_e and occrider please read this:

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States of Terror Syria, Iran and their proxies wage war on Israel. Friday, July 14, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT Israel's military invasion and naval blockade of Lebanon is being denounced in European capitals and at the United Nations as a "disproportionate" response to the kidnapping this week of two of its soldiers by Hezbollah. Israel's decision late last month to invade Gaza in retaliation for the kidnapping of another soldier by Hamas was also condemned as lacking in proportion. So here's a question for our global solons: Since hostage-taking is universally regarded as an act of war, what "proportionate" action do they propose for Israel? In the case of Hamas, perhaps Israel could rain indiscriminate artillery fire on Gaza City, surely a proportionate response to the 800 rockets Hamas has fired at Israeli towns in the last year alone. In the case of Hezbollah, it might mean carpet bombing a section of south Beirut, another equally proportionate response to Hezbollah's attacks on civilian Jewish and Israeli targets in Buenos Aires in the early 1990s. We aren't being serious, but neither is a feckless international community that refuses to proportionately denounce the outrages to which Israel is being subjected. That goes also for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who says "all sides must act with restraint." But Israel's current problems result in part from an excess of restraint in responding to previous Hamas and Hezbollah provocations. Now Israel is confronted with a war on two fronts with proxy terrorists armed and financed by Syria and Iran. Yesterday, medium-range Hezbollah rockets hit civilian targets across northern Israel. Any of those rockets might easily hit the port city of Haifa's oil refineries and chemical plants, causing horrific damage that would give Israel cause, and perhaps the self-preservation necessity, to strike Damascus and Tehran. So far, Israel is limiting its military activities to Lebanon alone, out of the same abundance of restraint that has governed its behavior throughout the crisis. The democratic Lebanese government of Fouad Siniora bears its share of the blame, since it has failed to police its side of the border with Israel and failed to disarm Hezbollah, as required by Security Council Resolution 1559 and the 1989 Taif Accords that ended the Lebanese civil war. Senior Israeli military sources also claim that Lebanon tolerates the presence of hundreds of Iranian military personnel in Lebanon, again in violation of U.N. resolutions. But Mr. Siniora's failings owe to weakness, not malfeasance, particularly in the face of Syria's continued meddling in Lebanese affairs following the departure of its army last year. A larger problem has been the failure of the Bush Administration to press Damascus harder when it had the opportunity to do so in the wake of last year's Cedar Revolution. The U.N. investigation into the murder of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, in which all evidence points to the involvement of senior associates and relatives of Syrian dictator Bashar Assad, seems to have disappeared in a black hole. Nor has the U.S. exacted any price for Syria's ongoing support for the insurgents in Iraq. Critics of the Bush Administration will surely find a way to blame it for the current crisis, on the theory that this is what happens when you push for change in the Middle East. But the real problem is the growing perception among Arab regimes and terrorist frontmen that the U.S. is so bogged down in Iraq, and so suddenly deferential to the wishes of the "international community," that it has lost its appetite for serious reform. This has created openings for the kind of terror assaults on American allies we are now witnessing. Israel can and will handle the immediate military threats on its two borders. But ultimately there will be no resolution in Lebanon and Gaza until the regimes in Syria and Iran believe they will pay a price for the wars they are waging through their proxies. The referral this week of Iran's nuclear file to the U.N. Security Council is a start, although we have little confidence it will lead anywhere. The White House has cited Syria and Iran as the culprits behind this week's events, but more forceful words and action are called for. The Middle East stands on the cusp of its worst crisis in a generation, and this is no time for formulaic statements calling for "restraint from both sides." source: http://www.opinionjournal.com/edito...ml?id=110008658

They say it better than I could have.
Suffice to say had Israel done what was needed earlier this crisis would not be what it is now.

Now also understand that Sharon most likely would have acted against Lebanon and Hamas earliker, however US pressure because of Iraq to keep things quiet were most likely the motivating factor limiting Israel's hand in protecting its security.

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i think that it is done by the iranian extremist president is responsible for the whole thing. He is the only individual who wants the distruction of israel. HE probably wants to start a war but he needs to find an excuse. He has to do so that Israel should start first. So he sends money to Lebannon(i mean the terrorist group inside the Lebannon, like hezbollah or some other terrorists) so that Lebannon would kidnap the soldiers. This would enrage the Israel and Israel would attack Lebannon. It won't find it's missing soldiers in there so it would move to Syria and then Iran would come in with its military. The history is repeating itself. One of the casuses of WWI were alliances. Israel is allied with UN and NATO(US, and most of the West) while Lebannon is allied with Syria and Iran and probably the rest of Middle east will be involved. so i would be preparing for the worst: WWIII. If cold war was East vs. West, now its gona be North(israel) vs South

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Originally posted by ilya49 He is the only individual who wants the distruction of israel.

Tih tak doomayish?

Ahnee f'seh hatyat oobeet israeltyanov.