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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit you should see how people react when they have to wait for the next bus out of wemf.. hahaha

^^ So true, I witnessed it leaving first hand back in 2004 here in Wasaga Beach. I remember leaving past all the busses and stopping then to talk to a friend I saw waiting in line ( a very LONG line) to baord the next one... man....


And, god, what a shitshow this thread has become!!! scheiße

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Originally posted by FunkyGroove whoa! guys relax malek stop biting Lisa's head off, since when do you have to punished for having your own opinion? If anything I would be inclined to belieave a smaller newspaper then bias large cities papers 10-15K tourist? where did that come from? guys get ur stats right also, a fraction of tourists evacuated was very small - most of the Lebanese-Canadian evacuated were working and residing in Lebanon not taking a luxurious vacation

here's my straight facts not some estimate from some newspapers (the one you posted).

Here's a daily press release from Quebec govt. All planes with evacuees are landing in Montreal, and the Quebec govt is taking care of those who need it.

There's no english version, but i'll tell you what the numbers mean:

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Poursuite de l'accueil des ressortissants québécois - AUGMENTATION DE LA DEMANDE DE SERVICES MONTRÉAL, le 25 juillet /CNW Telbec/ - Depuis les deux derniers jours, 1600 ressortissants canadiens en provenance du Moyen-Orient sont arrivés à l'aéroport Montréal-Trudeau. Ce chiffre représente le double du nombre de personnes qui sont arrivées les trois premiers jours de l'opération. Uniquement pour la nuit dernière, 600 ressortissants ont posé le pied sur le sol québécois. Près de 40 % de ce nombre ont bénéficié des services offerts par le programme d'accueil du gouvernement du Québec, notamment au regard de l'hébergement. Le programme d'accueil mis en place par le gouvernement du Québec et ses partenaires est ainsi à même de répondre au volume grandissant de demande de services d'accueil des citoyens en provenance du Liban. Depuis vendredi matin, ce sont 21 avions qui se sont posés à Montréal avec à leur bord 4 686 passagers. De ce nombre, 905 hommes, femmes et enfants ont eu recours aux services de la Croix-Rouge, incluant 309 personnes en transit. Mentionnons que plusieurs ministères du gouvernement du Québec, la Croix-Rouge ainsi que des organismes communautaires participent à cet effort humanitaire d'importance coordonné par le ministère de la Sécurité publique. Enfin, Services Québec rappelle que toute personne désireuse d'obtenir de l'information peut le faire en téléphonant au numéro 1 800 363-1363.

Since Friday morning, 21 planes landed with 4686 evacuees. From that number 905 needed shelter from the red cross, and from that group of 905, 309 were in transit to other provinces.

So we have 596 people asking for shelter because they have no home here, presumably because they moved to Lebanon.

It means, 12.7% of those evacuated were living in Lebanon, the vast majority, I once again repeat were Canadians vacationning there and caught in the crossfire.

from that 50k Canadians, about 15k were vacationning. From that 15k, about 5k evacuated with the Canadian govt, the rest are either still waiting for the next boat or ALREADY EVACUATED BY THEIR OWN MEANS thru dangerous and very expensive routes.

and Lisa don't call someone who knows more than you a big head, i only post in threads were i know enough stuff about, i don't base my opininon on a letter sent by some guy who doesn't even remotly represent the majority.

My words may be harsh toward you, but they come nowhere near the opinions and beliefs you hold against the thousands of canadian citizens stranded abroad and who need any help they can get. You think they should be treated as second class citizens and that in itself is the biggest insult.

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Originally posted by malek and Lisa don't call someone who knows more than you a big head, i only post in threads were i know enough stuff about, i don't base my opininon on a letter sent by some guy who doesn't even remotly represent the majority. My words may be harsh toward you, but they come nowhere near the opinions and beliefs you hold against the thousands of canadian citizens stranded abroad and who need any help they can get. You think they should be treated as second class citizens and that in itself is the biggest insult.

For the last time...I made an opinion about the guy who wrote the letter, not EVERY Canadian citizen in Lebanon...thus my opinion is valid. Since you clearly can't see that, there's no point in further arguing with someone who is as dense (to use your terms) and cocky as you. I hope you enjoy putting words in other people's mouths, but not mine. Goodbye.

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Very very well said. Ignorant people should refrain from starting topics like these where they can get PWNED by those with even a little bit of background knowledge. Her points were baically a result of accepting what the media presents without any critical thinking (ie. FOX news sheep).

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Originally posted by malek here's my straight facts not some estimate from some newspapers (the one you posted). Here's a daily press release from Quebec govt. All planes with evacuees are landing in Montreal, and the Quebec govt is taking care of those who need it. There's no english version, but i'll tell you what the numbers mean: Since Friday morning, 21 planes landed with 4686 evacuees. From that number 905 needed shelter from the red cross, and from that group of 905, 309 were in transit to other provinces. So we have 596 people asking for shelter because they have no home here, presumably because they moved to Lebanon. It means, 12.7% of those evacuated were living in Lebanon, the vast majority, I once again repeat were Canadians vacationning there and caught in the crossfire. from that 50k Canadians, about 15k were vacationning. From that 15k, about 5k evacuated with the Canadian govt, the rest are either still waiting for the next boat or ALREADY EVACUATED BY THEIR OWN MEANS thru dangerous and very expensive routes. and Lisa don't call someone who knows more than you a big head, i only post in threads were i know enough stuff about, i don't base my opininon on a letter sent by some guy who doesn't even remotly represent the majority. My words may be harsh toward you, but they come nowhere near the opinions and beliefs you hold against the thousands of canadian citizens stranded abroad and who need any help they can get. You think they should be treated as second class citizens and that in itself is the biggest insult.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* For the last time...I made an opinion about the guy who wrote the letter, not EVERY Canadian citizen in Lebanon...thus my opinion is valid. Since you clearly can't see that, there's no point in further arguing with someone who is as dense (to use your terms) and cocky as you. I hope you enjoy putting words in other people's mouths, but not mine. Goodbye.

of course, and as we read the thread, we realize that this opinion and belief on that retard has spread to all Lebanese stranded and now to every Canadian living abroad in any country with dual loyalties.

great job

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Originally posted by malek myself and others in this thread firmly believe that this complaining thing has been blown out of proportions by the (english) medias because they suck Harper balls who is pro-israeli. The silent majority is grateful.

actually the media has been inflaming the story against harper IMO.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* For the last time...I made an opinion about the guy who wrote the letter, not EVERY Canadian citizen in Lebanon...thus my opinion is valid. Since you clearly can't see that, there's no point in further arguing with someone who is as dense (to use your terms) and cocky as you. I hope you enjoy putting words in other people's mouths, but not mine. Goodbye.

This is your first post, look how you took that man's letter and projected his retarded opinion upon all Lebanese...

You always use the plural referring to the Canadians stranded.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* It's not Canada's responsibility to get these vacationers out of Lebanon They should be happy that Canada is going in period to get them back safely to their homes...is it truely necessary to have luxurious ships and planes to rescue them?

and you go on and on... please go flip flop somewhere else.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 actually the media has been inflaming the story against harper IMO.

thats the beauty of having two solitudes in Canada, our intrepretation is that medias are being way too easy on Harper and the english media is continuously spinning this out of proportion, to transfer the blame from an inadequate emergency plan to the Lebanese who are just whiners and should be treated accordingly. Just look at this thread, it reeks of ignorance.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard a couple of things to point out here (I could have picked any number of posts to make my points but this one won)..... a) Where these people were born and where they currently reside is inconsequential. What matters is that they are CANADIAN CITIZENS. As I stated earlier, we only have one class of citizen so all must be treated the same. IF CITIZENSHIP IS TO MEAN ANYTHING WE CANNOT QUALIFY IT, A CITIZEN IS A CITIZEN IS A CITIZEN, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME LEGAL STANDING. Being as we are a society based on the rule of law there is no negotiating this point. You may be pissed that on ocassion we get taken advantage of by people who become citizens for personal gain but I'll gladly accept that over abandoning the rule of law.

which is why we need to stop dual citizenships of convenience. You are either canadian or you arent. People are obviously abusing our kindness.

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b) Let's be very clear on this.... CANADA IS NOT DOING THESE PEOPLE A FAVOR.... We are not doing a nice thing, we are living up to our duty to our citizens. You may recall the Charter of Rights guarentees a Right to Security of the Person (to all Canadians... not just residents). In order satisfy this section of the Charter the State must take all reasonable and prudent measures to protect the lives of Canadian citizens. What's reasonable and prudent is debatable but I would hazard to guess most courts would find it unreasonable for the government to simply abandon these people.

Canada has no obligation to evacuate ANYONE

taken from the DFAIT website:

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Risks and problems There are also risks and problems associated with having more than one citizenship. Recognition of Canadian citizenship: The most important of these is that your Canadian citizenship may not be recognized in the country of your second citizenship. The authorities of that country may not recognize Canada's right to provide you with consular assistance. There could also be problems in other countries, especially if you used the travel document of the country of your second citizenship to gain entry. In such circumstances, the local authorities could decide that Canada does not have the right to provide consular assistance.

I wonder how many of those dual "canadians" used their canadian passport to get into lebanon? Im suspecting not very many.

Also here is a hypothetical situation from the canadian consular services website:

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Renée is visiting an archeological site near Lima, Peru, when a civil war breaks out. She calls the Canadian Embassy in Lima to find out if they can help her leave the country. A consular official tells her that they can assist her but that she will have to sign a document stating she will repay the costs of her evacuation. That night, she and other Canadians gather at a hotel. They are then escorted to a military airport and flown to Ecuador, the nearest safe location. They are all informed that the Embassy does not pay for any costs associated with their evacuation to Ecuador

Id say those whiners got off pretty lucky. Because it's USUALLY canada's policy to make evacuees PAY for their evacuation. What do you harper bashers have to say now?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by sticky_shoes Still convinced that Harper's trip to save the Canadians was ALSO intended to be a publicity stunt...

and had he just gone home from russia in the jet all by himself he would have been critisized for flying home on a jet that could have been used to send home evacuees.

The guy cant win either way can he?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by malek please go flip flop somewhere else.

It's my thread...if you don't like what's going on it it...why don't you leave.

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