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Originally posted by EvilTree you mean John Tory

Harper's idiocy and way of things, so to say, has disillusioned Ontario in general. It seems many people didnt want to vote Conservative - if Tory was on a different political platform, I'm sure he would have won more ridings, his well-made commercials deserve some credit.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Harper's idiocy and way of things, so to say, has disillusioned Ontario in general. It seems many people didnt want to vote Conservative - if Tory was on a different political platform, I'm sure he would have won more ridings, his well-made commercials deserve some credit.

huh?
last I checked, Harper made gains over Dion in the national poll.

Well made commercials? I've only seen the ones that attack McGuinty, but failed to show exactly what will the Tories do if they get elected.
Combine with the religious school boondoogle which for some reason ticked off a lot of Ontarians.

Harper had nothing to do with this election. So far, I think you're the only one trying to link Harper with this election.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

I voted in Vaughan at 3 pm and it was totaly dead. Maybe one other person in the place.

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Originally posted by _EuG_ I voted in Vaughan at 3 pm and it was totaly dead. Maybe one other person in the place.

people do work, you know

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree huh? last I checked, Harper made gains over Dion in the national poll. Well made commercials? I've only seen the ones that attack McGuinty, but failed to show exactly what will the Tories do if they get elected. Combine with the religious school boondoogle which for some reason ticked off a lot of Ontarians. Harper had nothing to do with this election. So far, I think you're the only one trying to link Harper with this election.

You didnt see the commercials that I saw (I dont think I saw the ones you're talking about). For example, one of the Tory commercials talked about giving lots more money to autistic children - and my parents voted for PC because my youngest brother is autistic. You missed that one, among their many other pledges (that you missed).


Harper = Tories = Conservatives. Same political spectrum. Many people are weary of conservatives as a party, despite the distrust of lying McGuinties. Out of my friends, I am the only one who knew about that religious school funding "incident" (how odd).

Despite that setback for PC, they were not going to win anyway, and you're gonna have to come up with a better excuse for why (hint: not because of faith-based schools).

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Originally posted by DigiNut Wow, what a worthless article. Was he even following the Tory campaign? Tory lost the support precisely because he didn't back away from the issue. And yes, pretty much every politician breaks some promises, because they promise too much and have to make compromises, but can anyone here name even one single promise that McGuinty kept? Where was the compromise?

Wrong. The article was correct - Tory DID flip-flop. Another source:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...tional/National

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However, there is some potential for the Conservatives to do better than the numbers suggest on election day, the poll says, because Conservative supporters are disproportionately older and therefore more likely to vote. Nevertheless, the survey done over the Thanksgiving weekend marks a stunning reversal of fortune for Mr. Tory, who has personally paid a political price for initially promoting the funding of all religious schools and then backing off last Monday by saying he would put the matter to a free vote in the legislature should he become premier. His popularity now trails that of Liberal Leader Dalton McGuinty, with only 30 per cent of voters saying he would be the best premier, compared with 36 per cent for his rival. This is a reversal from a poll done by Strategic Counsel three weeks ago, when Mr. Tory was the No. 1 choice.

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the reason is the same that Harper didn't win a majority in the federal election...shitty leadership and focusing too much on attacking the sitting gov't and not enough on how they will be different.

Tory was a lame duck leader. He couldn't prevent a majority when even Liberal supporters (like myself) were fed up with McGuinty (I still voted Liberal, because of my MPP).

Harper should have obliterated the Liberals after the scandals, but did not and has no chance in hell of winning a majority in the next election (if the CPC wins again, that is).

Instead of crying about how awful McGuinty has been, how awful the next four years will be...ask your party why they choose such incompetent, unappealing leaders.

Tory allowed what SHOULD have been a relatively minor issue turn into a resounding Liberal majority. Harper has failed to sway Canadians, despite the Liberal scandals and despite ongoing infighting.

maybe before throwing stones at their opposition, the federal and provincial conservatives need to get their own respective acts together and learn how to APPEAL to voters.

unless we get to listen to 4 more years of how the liberal media ruins everything

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Originally posted by Magnetonium You didnt see the commercials that I saw (I dont think I saw the ones you're talking about). For example, one of the Tory commercials talked about giving lots more money to autistic children - and my parents voted for PC because my youngest brother is autistic. You missed that one, among their many other pledges (that you missed).

Possibly. I've been watching about 3 hours of idiot box per night and for some reason I didn't catch the ads you're talking about. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

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Harper = Tories = Conservatives. Same political spectrum. Many people are weary of conservatives as a party, despite the distrust of lying McGuinties. Out of my friends, I am the only one who knew about that religious school funding "incident" (how odd).

So this is why the Conservatives are still leading against the Liberals federally? (according to latest poll)

By your corelation, if Harper is causing the downfall of provincial tories, federally, the Liberals should be leading the poll.

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Despite that setback for PC, they were not going to win anyway, and you're gonna have to come up with a better excuse for why (hint: not because of faith-based schools).

lol. seems you're the one going against the leading political analysts who all seems to say that the religious school issue is the leading downfall of John Tory's campaign.

So what wisdom do you have to share?

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree people do work, you know

There were many parents picking up thier children from school (where poll was), but few of them were at the poll it self.

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Originally posted by MarkT the reason is the same that Harper didn't win a majority in the federal election...shitty leadership and focusing too much on attacking the sitting gov't and not enough on how they will be different. Harper should have obliterated the Liberals after the scandals, but did not and has no chance in hell of winning a majority in the next election (if the CPC wins again, that is). maybe before throwing stones at their opposition, the federal and provincial conservatives need to get their own respective acts together and learn how to APPEAL to voters.

I agree... Somewhat.

You gotta realize that for some reason, Canadians don't like anything that reeks of 'right wing' and seemingly 'American'.

Anything that Harper does, IMO, goes under even more scrunity than Cretin or Martin, simply becaause Harper is a Conservative.

So, he treads very carefully now what he says or do.

I'm not too happy about the way Harper does some things, such as failing to sell the Afghanistan mission to the Canadian public, but I don't blame him. One mistake for Harper may mean that his minority govt goes down under a vote of no confidence.

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unless we get to listen to 4 more years of how the liberal media ruins everything

I dunno if the media is all pro liberal, but they are after money and if the Canadian public likes reading about how the Conservatives are fucking up, then the media will keep printing those stories

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree Possibly. I've been watching about 3 hours of idiot box per night and for some reason I didn't catch the ads you're talking about. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I saw this commercial like 5times, and I RARELY even watch TV, but was lucky to get annoyed by that commercial on two different channels over the Thanksgiving weekend:

Tory pledges $75M for autistic children

http://www.thestar.com/OntarioElection/article/260288

A Progressive Conservative government would aim to eliminate waiting lists for autistic children needing treatment as soon as possible, party leader John Tory said today.
Experts have suggested it would take a minimum of two years. Tory did not set an exact deadline, although he called a time limit the only way to make progress.

“It won’t be easy but it must be done,” Tory said after a round-table discussion with parents of autistic children at a fitness club, promising an extra $75 million a year in funding to help tackle the issue.

There are now 1,000 children on the waiting list for treatment that can cost $50,000 a year per child, up from 89 when Premier Dalton McGuinty was elected in 2003, because the number of children diagnosed with the disorder has climbed exponentially.

“Mr. McGuinty has not delivered and those families are still waiting,” Tory said.

etc.etc.etc.

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So this is why the Conservatives are still leading against the Liberals federally? (according to latest poll) By your corelation, if Harper is causing the downfall of provincial tories, federally, the Liberals should be leading the poll.

Polls mean little if anything, and they will change with the next speech by the party leader. Greens were favourite to win Owen Sound, they didnt get it. NDP were poll-favourite to repeat as Hamilton Mountain riding winners according to polls, and they faltered. According to http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...tional/National polls taken yesterday of elections outlook, "The New Democrats' support climbed three points to 19 per cent, an improvement from the 14.7 per cent of the vote the party received in the 2003" - yet NDP only snagged over 9% of the vote. Election time, we'll see. Until then, its speculations. One thing for sure, PC and Conservatives lost big time, and not just because of religious schools. They didnt have huge support before the issue, and certainly not after.

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lol. seems you're the one going against the leading political analysts who all seems to say that the religious school issue is the leading downfall of John Tory's campaign. So what wisdom do you have to share?

Are you suggesting that Tories were going to win if this controversy was avoided? Not a chance! Therefore, the main reasons for their defeat are to be found elsewhere ...

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