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Originally posted by Theresa Not at all. We are sexual creatures. We are one of the very few on this planet that enjoy sex for pleasure. I don't think people should abstain... there is nothing wrong with something that is natural. Maybe back in the day when there weren't known ways to prevent pregnancy I would have thought that those who could not raise children should abstain. However, we are in a time in which there are plenty of ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

So then a woman who chooses to have an abortion after getting pregnant because the condom broke ISN'T avoiding accountability?

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Originally posted by Theresa All of that was just you telling me I am wrong and not explaining why you are right. It is a lot easier to try and prove someone else wrong than it is to prove yourself right. You blab on about how I am illogical etc. etc., but haven't provided reason that it is true other than that you think it is right. We just keep going in circles.

*sighs*

My central thesis is that you have no right to tell parents what to do with their children, nor tell adoptive parents that they can't adopt a child.

This is the third fucking time ive said, I'm unsure why we keep skipping over it.

My secondary thesis is that opinions are fucking pointless unless you can show that they are capable of being put into action. So, either you explain to us what you would do with an influx of dumped or abused or refugee children, or you quit avoiding such questions by calling yourself an "idealist".

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Originally posted by jennypie So then a woman who chooses to have an abortion after getting pregnant because the condom broke ISN'T avoiding accountability?

No.

You can only be accountable for your actions.

She took accountability by attempting to prevent pregnancy. Accident happened.

With the new circumstance, abortion is taking responsibility for herself. As there isn't "someone else" to be accountable to, there is not a lack of accountability existing.

In case there is a semantics issue, this is what I understand as accountability:

accountability

noun
responsibility to someone or for some activity

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN *sighs* My central thesis is that you have no right to tell parents what to do with their children, nor tell adoptive parents that they can't adopt a child. This is the third fucking time ive said, I'm unsure why we keep skipping over it. My secondary thesis is that opinions are fucking pointless unless you can show that they are capable of being put into action. So, either you explain to us what you would do with an influx of dumped or abused or refugee children, or you quit avoiding such questions by calling yourself an "idealist".

You have obviously not read anything I have written. Either that or you're having some type of problem with comprehension.

Please reread what my stance is and try again.

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Opinions are pointless unless they can be put into action? Really?!

Since when did an opinion have to have a point other than simply having it?

Hmmm... so my opinion that the paint on the wall is more of a navy blue then a sky blue... well wait, I can't put that into action, so why bother thinking it... or even ever telling anyone? It's pointless and irrelevant apparently.

o·pin·ion Audio Help /əˈpɪnyən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-pin-yuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem:

Ok... so a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. Wow... that sounds a lot like what I was saying earlier. A favorable estimate??? Weird how that is exactly what my so called pointless opinion is.

Alright, fair enough, you think my opinion is pointless because I have not come up with ways in order to make my opinion a moot point to begin with... fine. However... given that this thread started by ASKING OUR OPINION, my opinion actually DID have a point... by providing opinions to someone who has asked for them.



Suddenly it went from simply stating an opinion to having to explain how reversing the reasons for my opinion in the first place would work. Should I create a diagram for you or something? Would you like spreadsheets?

LOL!

Last edited by RandomGirl on May-09-2008 at 05:08

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Originally posted by Theresa No. You can only be accountable for your actions. She took accountability by attempting to prevent pregnancy. Accident happened. With the new circumstance, abortion is taking responsibility for herself. As there isn't "someone else" to be accountable to, there is not a lack of accountability existing. In case there is a semantics issue, this is what I understand as accountability: accountability noun responsibility to someone or for some activity

ac·count·a·bil·i·ty

1. the state of being accountable, liable, or answerable.
2. Education. a policy of holding schools and teachers accountable for students' academic progress by linking such progress with funding for salaries, maintenance, etc.

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Originally posted by jennypie ac·count·a·bil·i·ty 1. the state of being accountable, liable, or answerable. 2. Education. a policy of holding schools and teachers accountable for students' academic progress by linking such progress with funding for salaries, maintenance, etc.

I think it is redundant to refer to a definition of a word that actually uses the same word to define it. If you got that from dictionary.com, just scroll down a little more and you will see where I got my blurb.

So as "being accountable" is still leaving semantics issues.

li·a·ble Audio Help /ˈlaɪəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lahy-uh-buhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. legally responsible: You are liable for the damage caused by your action.
2. subject or susceptible: to be liable to heart disease.
3. likely or apt: He's liable to get angry.



Answerable
An"swer*a*ble\, a. 1. Obliged to answer; liable to be called to account; liable to pay, indemnify, or make good; accountable; amenable; responsible; as, an agent is answerable to his principal; to be answerable for a debt, or for damages.

Will any man argue that . . . he can not be justly punished, but is answerable only to God? --Swift.

2. Capable of being answered or refuted; admitting a satisfactory answer.

The argument, though subtle, is yet answerable. --Johnson.

3. Correspondent; conformable; hence, comparable.

What wit and policy of man is answerable to their discreet and orderly course? --Holland.

This revelation . . . was answerable to that of the apostle to the Thessalonians. --Milton.

4. Proportionate; commensurate; suitable; as, an achievement answerable to the preparation for it.

5. Equal; equivalent; adequate.


Given that... who are you accountable to other than yourself if there isn't someone else to be accountable to? Who do you have to answer to other than yourself? You can't "answer" to a clump of cells.

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Unless of course there is a belief that you are accountable to a god... and again, in that case there is a whole new argument.

Welp, then it really is a matter of the opinion of what constitutes life.


*tips hat to Theresa and leaves*

rape, raped, rap·ing.

–noun 1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape.
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
–verb (used with object) 6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.
–verb (used without object) 9. to commit rape.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN rape, raped, rap·ing. –noun 1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse. 2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person. 3. statutory rape. 4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside. 5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force. –verb (used with object) 6. to force to have sexual intercourse. 7. to plunder (a place); despoil. 8. to seize, take, or carry off by force. –verb (used without object) 9. to commit rape.

Are you admitting that you are getting raped in this argument?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN rape, raped, rap·ing. 8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

Well, I have taken things before. I guess that makes me a rapist!