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rabbitjoker
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Yesterday, I traded a pack of Dentine Ice for a Kit Kat bar.


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Skipper
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quote:
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Yesterday, I traded a pack of Dentine Ice for a Kit Kat bar.


Score!

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Nrg2Nfinit
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quote:
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Score!


lol can you read my last post and give your input on naked short selling in canada ?

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Skipper
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I did read it, I just don't have an answer for you.
I'm not that big of an investor personally to be honest - my money goes to paying off student debt....the return on which has actually been better than in the market by a landslide since I graduated!

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Nrg2Nfinit
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fair enough

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Skipper
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Interesting commentary from Brian Milner in this week's ROB about the market rally.

quote:

The market rally is missing something big: U.S. consumers
BRIAN MILNER
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May 16, 2009
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In the latest example of what qualifies as good economic news these days, we learned yesterday that U.S. industrial output fell last month by a mere 0.5 per cent, the best showing since last October. And the New York Fed's manufacturing index, a measure of how operators in the region are feeling about conditions, shot up to minus 4.6, its best reading in eight months. Wow! Break out the champagne.

Just a few days ago, these latest hints of a coming bottom - at least on the output side - would have been enough to spark another shopping spree by investors worried about being left behind at base camp while more intrepid climbers scale new equity peaks.

But the impressive rally that enabled benchmark indexes to erase all or most of their losses this year appears to have hit a snag or two.

The upswing plainly had more than one pilot steering the plane, including institutions eager to boost meagre returns on their piles of idle cash, short sellers forced to cover enormous positions and pension funds doing a little rebalancing.

But a market driven by nervous investors making their bets on slightly improved production gauges, early hints of a recovery in China, a better outlook for commodity prices and signs of government-imposed stability in the U.S. banking system does not seem like one destined to settle into a long bull run.

The jury is still out on whether those green shoots everybody is searching for amid the economic ruins will grow into hardy perennials or dandelions. In any case, the most crucial piece of the turnaround puzzle, the American consumer, is in no condition to join in the fun.

That's why David Rosenberg, the former Merrill Lynch economist who made his formidable reputation as an early and consistent bear on Wall Street, leans to the dandelions.

"The only thing holding the [U.S.] economy together, and the capital markets, for that matter, is a lot of tape and glue from the federal government," Mr. Rosenberg said this week from his new Bay Street perch as chief economist/strategist with Gluskin Sheff.

"It's very rare that you embark on a sustained bull market when the economy is extremely fragile."

The U.S. suffered three enormous shocks, starting with the housing collapse. That led directly to the other two - in credit and employment. Credit conditions have improved, thanks to unprecedented global intervention. "But the other two shocks are lingering and still very significant," Mr. Rosenberg said. And until they're fixed, the other green shoots are only so many weeds.

He has been singing from this hymn book for some time. When other economists were focused on GDP and other spending numbers, he was sifting through income stats.

For three years, Mr. Rosenberg warned of a widening gulf between income and spending data that was not sustainable.

By 2005, he was predicting a deflation in U.S. housing that would have a huge impact on the mortgage market and, with it, the heavily leveraged economy.

He forecast a 5- to 10-per-cent drop in prices, which seems modest now, but was viewed as apocalyptic.

"As bad as I thought it was going to be, it turned out to be far worse," said Mr. Rosenberg, who is more bullish on Canada's prospects, thanks to its healthier fiscal house, stronger banks and ideal position as a supplier of key commodities.

American households have taken a $20-trillion (U.S.) hit to their collective balance sheet, and the accompanying dramatic changes to their savings and consumption habits are likely to be deep and long lasting, he said.

So the only green shoots that should matter to investors are related to U.S. housing. Because until that's fixed, consumers won't spend and an economic recovery isn't going to be sustainable.

"It doesn't mean that we're not going to get the odd flashy GDP quarter," Mr. Rosenberg said. "It doesn't mean that we're not going to get the odd flashy bear market rally. But I think that what investors are ultimately going to be paying for is sustainability. You can trade these bear market rallies. You can rent them, but you can't own them."

Mr. Rosenberg claims, justifiably, to base his outlook solely on what he finds in the data, which he has always mined with considerable skill.

In one of his last missives for his former employer, he said it all.

"The data just don't square with the conventional wisdom permeating the investment landscape."

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simms327
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Any trading ideas for the coming week.

I was thinking of playing with some FAZ/TZA/BGZ for the week, in Monday, out @ +/- 10%.

Any thoughts on the market this coming week?

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DigiNut
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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
fair enough.. but who takes responsibility for a failure to deliver?

As a disclaimer, I don't do any short selling - I decided it was too much work to watch the margin and was easier to just hold puts - so this is basically cobbled together from brokerage sites, investment sites, and conversations with investment advisors:

As a retail investor, when you put in a short sell order through your brokerage, you do not make any distinction between a covered short or naked short. Either the order gets filled or it doesn't. If it gets filled, your broker is asserting that the shares are available (probably through a pool or margin trades) and that the trade can settle. Therefore it would be their responsibility on a failure to deliver, because as the individual investor you had no knowledge of the naked short.

However, most of them will put conditions on your account disclaiming responsibility. For example, TD Waterhouse has this to say:

quote:
U.S. securities - If TD Waterhouse cannot borrow the security for you to sell at the time the order is placed, the order will be rejected.
...
You can be forced to buy the shares you are short (a Buy-In) on two occasions:

When TD Waterhouse is recalled on the equity they borrowed to protect your position.
When TD Waterhouse is unable to borrow shares to protect the position.

A Buy-In can happen without prior notice to you. Also, even if you repurchase the short position, you are still liable to a Buy-In until the settlement date.


What this says to me is that they won't allow a naked short on U.S. securities at all, and that they'll allow it on Canadian securities but you assume responsibility in case of FTD - or if the original lender sells his position, which is another annoying risk of short selling. If the price is lower when the buy-in is forced, then you still win. Sometimes all it takes is 3 or 4 days for the stock to crash and burn.

I think it's more or less the same with institutional investors, big hedge funds and the like, but I don't know the details. Institutional investing is still a bit of a mystery to me.

Ultimately whoever placed the short sell order will end up being held responsible, but the "problem" with naked shorts is not one of responsibility, it's that these traders can drive the price down with imaginary shares, perhaps enough to hit people's stops and create a chain reaction. They'll be forced to buy in eventually, but not until the price has been slashed. That's the theory; the reality seems to be that it just doesn't happen enough to justify the hype.

I could be wrong about any or all of this. To me it doesn't really seem like a big deal because everybody ultimately does get what they want - except the company being shorted, I guess, and having watched a number of pump-and-dumps in action, I think that's only fair as a counterbalance in the market.


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Skipper
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quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Institutional investing is still a bit of a mystery to me.


Really? In what way?

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DigiNut
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Originally posted by simms327
Any trading ideas for the coming week.

I was thinking of playing with some FAZ/TZA/BGZ for the week, in Monday, out @ +/- 10%.

Any thoughts on the market this coming week?

I think I'm going to buy puts on both FAS and FAZ. The decay on those is happening so fast that they'll likely both have declined by at least 25% at some point in the month.

Check out the chart - the RIFIN is up 3% from a month ago, and FAS is actually down 3%! And there was one day when FAS was down 25%, and another day when FAZ was down over 50% mid-month (that's almost a 100% return on a put). If you zoom out to 3 or 6 months it's even more volatile.

So I'm thinking, buy puts, cash out when the underlying share price has declined at least 25%, keep the profits and re-invest the original principal in another, at-the-money put. Historically it looks like you need at least 2-4 weeks to really see the magic, so I'd have to watch the expiry and flip to the next month after 2 weeks in.

This seems to be a pretty safe bet to me, but it's possible I missed something. Stupid or smart? Any comments?

The other main thing on my list is oil - want to ride the bear for another 5-10%, then start gradually buying into the bulls at 5% intervals down (assuming it continues to decline).


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Originally posted by Skipper
Really? In what way?

For straight buy and sell I guess it's pretty clear-cut, but I don't understand how they'd short, since short shares normally come from a broker's pool or from other investors' margin accounts. The selling part is easy enough, but where do they get the borrowed shares from?

Actually I've never totally understood even basic order fills, but I've inferred (never verified) that they just use the ECN directly.

Also never figured out what's to stop these hedge funds from just buying or selling massive quantities of shares to each other in order to drive the price up or down. Supposedly it's illegal but how is anybody supposed to find out...


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simms327
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Registered: Nov 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
I think I'm going to buy puts on both FAS and FAZ.


I don't know enough about options to feel confident in trading them.

What are the fees like, i know TD charges $7 per contract, but what is that? Is a contract 1 share, or just a contract for a number of shares that I decide?

Also, i think options use up your margins, which I find odd, as an option is only an option, if i am losing money on it, or cant afford to go through with it, i just don't execute the option...

I understand the basic principle behind them, but when you get into rolling over, i get confused.

Know any good places to learn about the specific details?

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simms327
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So I put in a trial order to see what it was like, 100 contracts (i.e. 10,000 shares) of a put on FAZ in June @ $6.00.

Why is it costing me money? I thought i only pay the comission, and when I excercise the option, i have to buy the stock then sell it...



I thought that you only pay the commission, i.e. MINIMAL CAPITAL OUTLAY, as quoted from http://www.optiontradingpedia.com/#...20Put%20Option?

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The Leverage effect of option trading also allows investors to participate in the move of a high priced stock using only a small capital outlay. This is because stock options cost only a fraction of the price of its underlying stock. Apple (AAPL) is trading at $93.65 today while it's call option costs only $1.70. Investors can participate in the gains on 100 Apple shares through buying its call options for only $170 exactly like an investor who spent $9365 buying the stock itself. That's another benefit of option trading.

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