i just expect a lineup that is a "rave" lneup.. The djs arent really even house... its just weird shit.... more like a concert......

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Originally posted by rudypoochris Right but you know the factors change every year... That is my point. It is the 6th iteration if it was a nightmare to plan the 5 years before it probably will be the 6th as well. I am not knocking what is done here, just saying it should come as no surprise that there will be surprises and difficulties.

Knowing that the factors change every year is irrelevant, if you don't even know what the changes are until they happen.

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Oh is that all I have to do? I thought I was paying someone $140 for me and my girlfriend to dance at the afterparty.

What you quoted me on I was referring to the parade and festival. For the Parade and Festival, yes that's all you have to do. No one is forcing you or anyone to go.

As for the after party, it has always been an amazing experience for people

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This thread is about the afterparty lineup... I am pretty sure that is why I was quite surprised when you said that all I have to do is show up. I don't think anyone here is complaining about the day party/parade lineup as usually people don't really care nearly as much who is playing during the day, just the fact that you are with 100,000 people and you can hear all types of music and learn is awesome. It is the night party that people are paying to see the headlines they didn't get to see during the day. Thats where people care and that is what this thread is about.

Like we both said though, it is still going to be awesome regardless of the AP lineup, but that doesn't mean people are still going to have gripes about it especially after last year which was an amazing lineup most any house or trance fan can appreciate.

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Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds.

Substitute the word House for Trance above and I would also agree. I think it's more that having a huge, captive audience at a massive encourages DJ's to play the "tried and true," or maybe event promoters even ask them to do this. I thought Guetta's set would never end at EDC 2009, for example, and also read similar comments about it.

Like others here, I took the plunge and bought VIP tix weeks ago since it was virtually assured the lineup would be stellar based on previous years. So yeah, I'll go and enjoy it, but will be spending most of my time in the likely over-crowded side room.

Balancing the House and Trance DJ's more between the main and side rooms would be one thing the promoters could still do, even if they couldn't pull in everyone they wanted to be there. Some might say that it would disturb the flow of the night, but the big room set times at EDC were disturbing enough that it really wouldn't have mattered. Eddie and Menno in the big room (preferably back to back) would be awesome!

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Last edited by in2muzikk on Aug-23-2009 at 02:42

i enjoy deadmau5 beats ( =

but he needs to switch up his live shows,

too similar

well said.. totally agree!!!

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Originally posted by rudypoochris This thread is about the afterparty lineup... I am pretty sure that is why I was quite surprised when you said that all I have to do is show up. I don't think anyone here is complaining about the day party/parade lineup as usually people don't really care nearly as much who is playing during the day, just the fact that you are with 100,000 people and you can hear all types of music and learn is awesome. It is the night party that people are paying to see the headlines they didn't get to see during the day. Thats where people care and that is what this thread is about. Like we both said though, it is still going to be awesome regardless of the AP lineup, but that doesn't mean people are still going to have gripes about it especially after last year which was an amazing lineup most any house or trance fan can appreciate.

whoever said I wanted Armin instead???? Menno is pretty good as is JOC, I don't really care up or down about the rest of the trance talent on the lineup TBH..

personally i'd like to see better fresher trance talent from the likes of Sean Tyas, Talla 2XLC, Yoji, Alex M.O.R.P.H. etc. So please don't group me in with the Armin, Tiesto, PVD whiners....

point-in-fact. Compared to previous year line-ups, this is taking SF 5 years backwards. Too bad.. It really was SF's only real World-class event worth pushing. Now I'll save my breath for Insomniac parties in LA.

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Originally posted by DaveT Let's see you have Menno, Andy Moor (between them to can play a lot of the same thigns armin does), JOC, and Jon O'bir. And people are actually complaining about the trance lineup. Amazing!

i used to have a HUGE banner from the first Love Parade, It was bright green and had that same hearts symbol that vigvigler has as his avatar.
That was my high school though so it got loast in the moves.
But i agree, i am happy not to have PVD or Tiesto, i will never complain about having Armin, he is my favorite artist hands down.
BUT, thats not my problem. I just wanted trance in the main room. OR at least have have huse artists in the main room. But this lineup is soooo wierd! Deadmau5 is the best artist in the main room.... Like i already said, this lineup in not a "rave" lineup

I sit here and read some of your guys posts and it's so evident that it's not even with arguing with you all don't take two seconds to look at the surroundings and everything that goes into an event like this and try to understanding what the hell has been said.

Let me sum it for you ...ala basically repeat what Alain and/or the LE website says, but in more bitchy more direct terms...because this is something where you don't even have to be told the procedure in large part, but just think about it for a few seconds (other than the slowness of the city):

San Francisco, THE CITY, drags its feet a lot of times. There are a lot of politics when dealing with THE CITY, too. First everything for LE itself has to be set. They start right after the last event is over. The afterparty can't even be worked on until EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONE (you can't book DJs when you can't even guarantee the event is gonna happen because you can't have an "afterparty" without an event) and the city just won't grant you permission to shut down SF's main street in dowtown, Civic Center plaza, blast music that you can hear all throughout parts beyond the plaza, etc overnight. From there, they have to book Bill Graham. And I do believe BG has been undergoing management changes and all that. Booking these venues are not as simple as a phonecall. You have to discuss securityk, safetry, logistics, etc etc etc etc. And as a person who has work with some venues in SF (Moscone, Pier 27...for non-EDM events though), it's a pain sometimes.

THE AFTERPARTY LINEUP CAN'T BE WORKED ON UNTIL AFTER ALL THAT IS DONE, I would imagine. It's just common sense. You simply can't call around to agencies and book their top DJs at venues that aren't secured. It's not good business and what happens to that DJ when they think they are set and find out last minute the venue isn't secured and crap goes done. It's a pain in the ass for the DJ and the agency, and the promoters look REAL BAD.

This whole procedure and the amount of time it takes CHANGES EVERY YEAR. If it take one month longer to get everything secured compared to a previous year, THE MONTH ALONE CAN DRASTICALLY CHANGE WHO IS AVAIABLE. DJs aren't going to be put on hold for you and all that good stuff.

And sometimes DJs just ARE NOT TOURING THIS PART OF THE WORLD. Armin is UNAVAILABLE as he'll be on his honeymoon -- even though he starts his US tour 5 days after LE, he's still unavailable for the LE weekend. Tiesto I am sure is politics if there was a shot, Ferry is not in this country. Markus is in South America. Above & Beyond is doin their Anjunabeats Volume 7 launch party that weekend...not in this country. And one of those DJs and move the other trance DJs into the main room and no one here would be complaining at all. But as you can see, logistics just don't line up for those trance DJs to be available.

Anyhow just as much as you might be complaining this year you never know how things might go next year. Maybe things go smoothly and they get everything in order a lot earlier (as things appeared to have last eyar) which would be largely thanks to the city, venues, etc being speedier themselves and have a lot more flexibility in terms of who they can book.

You all act like everyone just dragged their asses this year. It's not like that and has never been. People bust their asses year round to make this event better ever year, and I'm sure it's really insults them when you say the shit you do...I just roll my eyes. Sometimes things just don't line up right...stuff that NO ORGANIZER HAS CONTROL OVER no matter HOW HARD THEY TRY.

If you want to help, think you can help speed things up...maybe you can go to city hall after it's over this year and pressure them to speed up things for next year. how about going to the surrounding business and get all their OKs. Come on, if you are gonna bitch & moan about it all and have all the info on what should be done, why not do your part and help. Instead of bitching & moaning, why not be proactive.

Menno de JOng is an amazing DJ.
Andy Moor has REALLY grown as a DJ the past couple of years (mainly he just seems to be sober at gigs these days and into the music and plays great sets).
JOC & Jon O'bir always blow people away at events they play out.

I remember after MM last year...who did most people I know say who had the best set? JOC. And his set was at like 9pm!

And between all those DJs, you will hear a lot of the same stuff you'd hear from the Armins out there...and mix just as well.

And trance has been in the side room before and NO ONE COMPLAINED after that event was over other than the sound cutting out a few times during Blank & Jones. Ev

Last edited by DaveT on Aug-24-2009 at 19:12

cliff notes dave! LOL......

Dave I think most people are complaining of the fact that it appears the trance DJ's will not be playing the main room, instead it appears from the flyer that Deadmau5 and Groove Amanda will be doing it..

I have said it before and will say it again, THE TRANCE LINE UP IS SOLID! Skills and Spundae have done a great job getting those DJ's together, but they should play in the main room.

That is a decision that Skills and Spundae will be doing or have already done. I mean the venue, security and logistics are set, it's now a matter of waiting and seen if Trance will be in the main room or side room..

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