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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I feel like it's a bit silly for people who are not scientists to be questioning the theory of evolution when they do not even know the details of how it works.

There's a great youtube video where that creationist dude posted earlier gets owned on his radio show by a biology grad student that phones in. The creationist goes.. "if I noticed that different suspension bridges had similar features would it be reasonable for me to assume that they had the same creator or that they had evolved from a common ancestor.. say a spiderweb?" and the biologist was like "buddy you've lost the plot, bridges and spiderwebs don't procreate or pass on genetic information so they can't be descendants of anything.. your analogy sucks balls"

Unfortunately the creationist doesn't even realise how badly he's getting owned.

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Originally posted by Energy_3 the trouble is the definitions that people maintain as to what their God is is a wishy washy matter in itself. It's strange that both theory postulated whether it be 'creationism' or 'evolution' remain porous in their arguments or proposals. Yet both remain ultimately futile in their attempts to explain all things (except science has the slight advantage). if you ask me someone is fucking with us and has been for some time".

Clearly the bible, torah and quran were man made. I would trust them as fact as much as greek mythology. In fact the greeks were more intelligent and creative with their works.


To say science has a slight advantage is ludicrous. REligion has no advantage with regards to facts. Which one is the right religion? there are tons of them! wit no basis or factual foundation. Simply fairy tails and constructive moral guidance which if not followed would lead to eternal repremand. Don't get me wrong, the bible is great. I would probably have my kids read it to learn morality (this is what seperates us from animals mentally).

But in this day and age to take something like that literally is insane. Would you rather fly a magic carpet and trust in blue genie or take an engineered 747?

the argument is analagous.


Now to doubt that essentially there is some sort of creator would be a bit arrogant in science since we have not tested that hypothesis yet with measurable evidence.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I feel like it's a bit silly for people who are not scientists to be questioning the theory of evolution when they do not even know the details of how it works.

Sure its ok to question. Albeit not knowing anything about it and just denying the facts presented is another thing.

If one is truly intrested in knowing the process, its fair to ask the question. I think thats the problem. Its not being taught properly in school so its dismissed at a very early stage.

ah i agree with you on everything you say. For me science is at the forefront thats for sure given its based on scientific methodology and like i said well the bible is merely fairytale based upon ones willingness to apply faith in the hope of a better place. Given they fuzzed this one up. its purpose like i mentioned before is ultimately the 'law of the land' to determine the course of mankind through the use of their mind.

From genesis and its interesting because depending on what version of the bible you read it varies slightly. But", i would love to know who's kind they are referring to

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind (is this referring to us), and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Even this is wishy washy with holes.

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sure, lets write about how god made insects and molluscs and how they creepeth.

Sounds good to me. but those ******s aren't good. they'll eat you alive, or at least their ancestors would.

Freaks, watch this crazy shit. my girlfriend is latina and sometimes ihave to attend church with them. Damm that is a site the latinos are right into it, even though it was not primarily their foundation to begin with. Its interesting as well because John Locke in 'the essay of human understanding' makes reference to whether God or not is innate, and then he further goes on to mention the nature of ideas and how we must learn the idea of what God is before we can become to understand it. anyways good read that book. but basically he refutes the possibility of God being innate which ultimately christians seem to propose percussively.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit of course.. but if you question science (which should be done) then you can further solidify theories and come up with new hypothesese and learn. The atheist is just as bad and arogant as the fundamental creationist because primarily if 100% of the facts are unknown then how can one be so sure?

Every science is subject to question, thats whats so wonderful about it, no area is an untouchable dogma that stands as the absolute truth. Before being accepted everything, even the most basic things (such as 1+1=2) require proof that they are true.



As for the second part...one can only use the data that is available to him. Saying that, if one can claim that something is 100% true while basing that on a set of data, then if i prove that the reasoning behind that conclusion is wrong, based on the same set of data i can claim 100% that something doesnt exist. Case in point, based on the data in the bible, people claim that god exist 100%, however using science i can dismiss every one of the "facts" that are presented as proof for existence of god, therefore i can reasonably claim that god doesnt exist.

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Every science is subject to question, thats whats so wonderful about it, no area is an untouchable dogma that stands as the absolute truth

this is truly remarkable and imho what makes it so ruthless. it allows itself to be proven false. unlike the gospel its what it is take or leave it and if you leave it your destined for the shit heap.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Don't get me wrong, the bible is great. I would probably have my kids read it to learn morality (this is what seperates us from animals mentally).

Morality? Seriously? Thats the one thing i would NOT want my kids to learn from the bible...unless you know, slavery, racism, senseless violence and stuff like that came back in style for some reason.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Morality? Seriously? Thats the one thing i would NOT want my kids to learn from the bible...unless you know, slavery, racism, senseless violence and stuff like that came back in style for some reason.

If it wasnt for religion we would still be neanderthal man.


Religion/ mythology/ belief is what made us emerge from the caves. To think ponder and philosophize life and a greater purpose allowed us to aspire and helped us build society as we see it today.

To live in a world of so many unknowns one must have some security in their purpose and being. Religion did that and now we have civilizations and governments that take heed to this role. To organize the masses of people.

i dunno i made it sound a bit dismal. but religion served its purpose to advance humanity. Overserved? thats definatley debatable.