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Originally posted by echosystm oh man, i'm actually starting to like having you on this forum. it's a constant reminder that no matter how bad of a day i'm having, it could always be worse - i could be you. rofl.

hahahah, so true

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Also, there is no such thing as subjective facts. A subject fact would mean something is a fact based on someones point of view. but facts are objective, that means they are facts without requireing someones point of view.

welcome to 2000 years ago Rtard.

you clearly think you are god if you believe you could EVER have ANY conception of objectivity in your miniscule mind.

and lol people who think differently are broken. like Einstein or Galileo?

i seriously hope that you're kind of delusional extremism is exclusive to a very very small group in the world... Otherwise we are all fucked.

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Meh.

"Subjective Facts" is almost as stupid as "Subjective Logic" Even stupider, people who say Logic is not intuitive.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The fact that everyone says there is..is proof that there is. That is the proof--->--->---> "everyone says it sounds different." <---<---<---<--- If everyone says it sounds different, and it does infact sound different, then guess what, it becomes an objective FACT that it sounds different.

If everyone told you shit tasted good would you taste it?

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The fact that everyone says there is..is proof that there is. That is the proof--->--->---> "everyone says it sounds different." <---<---<---<--- If everyone says it sounds different, and it does infact sound different, then guess what, it becomes an objective FACT that it sounds different. Infact, you don't even need witnesses, you just have to listen, if something sounds different, then something sounds different. If I listen to Black Sun Empire - Arrakis, and then I listen to Bruno Fergani - Combined Forces, I can tell they are different songs, because I just listened to them and heard it, I don't need to go into a lab and do hundreds of tests to "prove" they are different...I don't have to do that because i'm not a douche like you who likes to nitpick little issues for no reason at all. Also, there is no such thing as subjective facts. A subject fact would mean something is a fact based on someones point of view. but facts are objective, that means they are facts without requireing someones point of view. Ableton sounds different by default, YOU have already admited it does because of dithering and warp settings. Your argument is dead, defeated and gone, you agreeed with our side, even further you gave a REASON why ableton sounds different... Why now, are you still saying there is no difference?

Once again good job at attempting to twist my words to your benefit. I said all daw's have differences in sound; not ableton. This subtle difference is therefore unprovable because it exists in EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAW. That's why I told you to prove it; because it is unprovable.

You love to argue unprovables; and i'll tell you why. In your sick twisted mind you are so unhappy with yourself; the direction of your own life, and your accomplishment/perceived worth to society that you wait around and actually try to find things that are unprovable so that you can engage the other side of the opinion in a supposed match of debate. It's so obvious, anyone can see it. The problem is, you choose things like evolution and daw artifacting as your means of proving your worth; and well, simply...you lose every fight before you even start.

And to support your madness in this situation you speak of "if everyone believes it; well it has to be true". You yourself just got done proclaiming how fucking stupid everyone aside from yourself is; yet then you choose to agree with the deductions these said illegitimate minds came up with? LOL

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 The fact that everyone says there is..is proof that there is. That is the proof--->--->---> "everyone says it sounds different." <---<---<---<--- If everyone says it sounds different, and it does infact sound different, then guess what, it becomes an objective FACT that it sounds different. Infact, you don't even need witnesses, you just have to listen, if something sounds different, then something sounds different.

Everybody believed the Earth was flat. It's not.
Everybody believed the universe revolved around the Earth. It doesn't.
Everybody believes you're an idiot. You ar....ah no wait shit, that one's right.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 I said all daw's have differences in sound; not ableton.

But all DAWs are not different in sound, only Ableton is. Every single other daw, with the defautl settings will black my original amen break sample EXACTLY the same, to the bit. Ableton however, with all default settings, does not play the sample the same.

You already agreed with me, why are you still arguing?

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As for everyone bashing me on the "everyone says its true, so it must be" bit.... Why do you believe Antarctica exists? You only know antarctica exists because others have told you it does. Even if you think you have went there, everyone around you could have simply lied, and taken you to alaska. So by your logic, antarctica may or may not exist, because the only evidence you personally have for it, is word of mouth. Yet you accept that antarctica exists simply because everyone says it does. Any video you could have seen could have been detroit on a snowy day. And everyone has the capability to lie. But, judgeing by human nature, its unlikely everyone who has ever mentioned antarctica has lied about its existance. but, nope, you guys don't accept word of mouth, so you can't objectivly say its a fact that antarctica exists.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 As for everyone bashing me on the "everyone says its true, so it must be" bit.... Why do you believe Antarctica exists? You only know antarctica exists because others have told you it does. Even if you think you have went there, everyone around you could have simply lied, and taken you to alaska. So by your logic, antarctica may or may not exist, because the only evidence you personally have for it, is word of mouth. Yet you accept that antarctica exists simply because everyone says it does.

Yeah, that's exactly the same.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 As for everyone bashing me on the "everyone says its true, so it must be" bit.... Why do you believe Antarctica exists? You only know antarctica exists because others have told you it does. Even if you think you have went there, everyone around you could have simply lied, and taken you to alaska. So by your logic, antarctica may or may not exist, because the only evidence you personally have for it, is word of mouth. Yet you accept that antarctica exists simply because everyone says it does. Any video you could have seen could have been detroit on a snowy day. And everyone has the capability to lie. But, judgeing by human nature, its unlikely everyone who has ever mentioned antarctica has lied about its existance. but, nope, you guys don't accept word of mouth, so you can't objectivly say its a fact that antarctica exists.

objectivity isn't permanent, that was the point that both myself and fledz made. You can claim to "Know" objective truths (saying we breath oxygen), but the reality of it it can only be relative to the time at which you're saying it (world was believed to be flat, earth the centre of the universe etc), which makes it subjective anyway.

you seem to be confusing empirical research with objective knowledge also.
we never said anything about 'x says y so y is true', we said that so-called objective truths are NOT permanent, making them, by their very nature NOT objective.

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