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Originally posted by RebeL9 Whatever. I doubt that you people wouldn't admit that Armin is commercial even if he was given a prize at MTV music awards.

I believe PvD is actually going to be or already was at the MTV EMAs this year. Does that fact make me like his music any less? Not at all. You call it commercial - I call it popular, you say it is a sell-out - I say it is a success. There is NOTHING noble or cool about being unknown, underground and poor.

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I'm starting to realize why alot of trance producers don't want to be associated with the music they produce.

...which is once again an idiotic statement.

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Originally posted by yROMAN I believe PvD is actually going to be or already was at the MTV EMAs this year. Does that fact make me like his music any less? Not at all. You call it commercial - I call it popular, you say it is a sell-out - I say it is a success. There is NOTHING noble or cool about being unknown, underground and poor.

You're right - there is nothing inherently cool about being 'underground'. However, what you're failing to realise is that 90% of the population have poor taste in music. They like vocals, hate repetition and lap up cheesy gimmicks.

It's not the act of becoming popular that renders a producer suddenly 'bad', it's the knowledge that they can only become popular by being bad in the first place that is important.

Good producers will rarely appear on the radio or television because of this, and even when they do, you should be able to tell the difference.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J We're all for trance here. The tracks you've named aren't trance. Trance-pop at best.

The tracks I mentioned are:
- listed on Beatport under "TRANCE";
- played by all or almost all major TRANCE DJ's;
- played in Armin's "A State Of TRANCE" radio show and/or included in his yearly compilation of the same title;
- included in all sorts of other TRANCE compilations.

[Am I missing something here? Don't think so.]

But most of all - those tracks are the biz. However, if someone feels that those are garbage and chooses to rather play an underground track of an unknown artist during a warehouse rave at an undisclosed location, it's their choice. Let's just respect each other's opinions, without acting like some of us are some sort of authorities on Trance and this obscure "quality" definition. What you feel is quality may sound like shit to me and visa versa, so, keep that in mind.

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Originally posted by yROMAN The tracks I mentioned are: - listed on Beatport under "TRANCE"; - played by all or almost all major TRANCE DJ's; - played in Armin's "A State Of TRANCE" radio show and/or included in his yearly compilation of the same title; - included in all sorts of other TRANCE compilations. [Am I missing something here? Don't think so.]

You are missing something. Trance has moved away from its roots immensely, and even though the music played on Van Buuren's show is still called 'trance', in reality it's far from it.

The video below is an example of what 'real' trance sounds like. It's nothing like what you listen to today.

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Originally posted by Domesticated You're right - there is nothing inherently cool about being 'underground'. However, what you're failing to realise is that 90% of the population have poor taste in music. They like vocals, hate repetition and lap up cheesy gimmicks. It's not the act of becoming popular that renders a producer suddenly 'bad', it's the knowledge that they can only become popular by being bad in the first place that is important. Good producers will rarely appear on the radio or television because of this, and even when they do, you should be able to tell the difference.

Can't tell where you are from, but I live in L.A., where - believe it or not - we don't even have a Dance music FM station. So, with all that being said, I NEVER - literally, NEVER - hear or see any of the DJ's /Producers I like on the radio or TV.

As for the becoming popular by being bad notion, I see it as a question of artistic choice and personal ambition. I don't really think it's good or bad - it just IS, and every artist makes his /her own decision about it. With that come compromises, of course, as well as those who love and those who hate them for it. Which also is just the way the cookie crumbles.

One thing I do want to say in the defense of all the major Trance guys is that at least none of them play the Top 40 remixes, like the Benassis and Kaskades of the world. Nor do they collaborate with rappers and indietronica whiteboys, like David "Top 40" Guetta and - more recently - his [formerly] Trance counterpart, Tiesto.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Can't tell where you are from, but I live in L.A., where - believe it or not - we don't even have a Dance music FM station. So, with all that being said, I NEVER - literally, NEVER - hear or see any of the DJ's /Producers I like on the radio or TV. As for the becoming popular by being bad notion, I see it as a question of artistic choice and personal ambition. I don't really think it's good or bad - it just IS, and every artist makes his /her own decision about it. With that come compromises, of course, as well as those who love and those who hate them for it. Which also is just the way the cookie crumbles. One thing I do want to say in the defense of all the major Trance guys is that at least none of them play the Top 40 remixes, like the Benassis and Kaskades of the world. Nor do they collaborate with rappers and indietronica whiteboys, like David "Top 40" Guetta and - more recently - his [formerly] Trance counterpart, Tiesto.

Armin, Tiesto et al aren't on the radio here either, so let me re-phrase.

People who hold shows where there are 20,000 attendees just in the one city tend to be shit, irrespective of whether they make it to television or radio. There are exceptions, but this is a good rule of thumb.

By the way, when people on here say 'commercial' music, they don't necessarily mean that which is on the radio or has been 'discovered' and overplayed. What we mean is music which is cheesy and appeals to the the masses the same way pop music does. Big guitar chords, vocals, emotional breakdowns, one-dimensional percussion, regurgitation of ideas, et cetera.

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Last edited by Domesticated on Oct-23-2009 at 01:28

I don't know why anyone's arguing with yROMAN. It's clear he simply wants to join an echo-chamber.

Friend, you aren't going to find any active forum that only sings the praises of Tiestin van Schuzenyond -that isn't these guys' fan forum anyway (where any dissenting opinion is promptly deleted).

Honestly, I'd recommend you just stick around here, even just to lurk. You'll end up discovering great music you never knew existed, I guarantee.

And, as already pointed out, there are plenty of fans of trance here too, some of which has been immensely popular over the years. I'm sure nearly everyone here will agree that a guy like Oliver Lieb is excellent, and his Netherworld was one of the biggest prog-trance hits ever.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Armin, Tiesto et al aren't on the radio here either, so let me re-phrase. People who hold shows where there are 20,000 attendees just in the one city tend to be shit, irrespective of whether they make it to television or radio. There are exceptions, but this is a good rule of thumb.

1. This is precisely what me and a lot of others on here seem to be in disagreement about. But. I'm not going to go into another discussion on this, for neither person will change their opinion.

2. Watched the video you posted. A couple things:
- Why does it say 'Techno' something, while you're telling me it's the 'real' Trance?
- Uhm... it is something I'd never listen to and definitely would never spin. It is slow, obscure, minimal and plain boring, there is talking... it's everything that Trance is NOT and shall not be, in my opinion. So, thanks, but I'll stick to my shitty and cheesy AvB, A&B, PvD, etc. - at least their music is juicy and not only makes you wanna rip your clothes off, but actually makes you FEEL. While this nonsense makes me want to go to bed, and not for a good reason. Cheers.

How long have you been listening to trance for?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J How long have you been listening to trance for?

4 years. Does it make a difference?

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Originally posted by yROMAN 2. Watched the video you posted. A couple things: - Why does it say 'Techno' something, while you're telling me it's the 'real' Trance? - Uhm... it is something I'd never listen to and definitely would never spin. It is slow, obscure, minimal and plain boring, there is talking... it's everything that Trance is NOT and shall not be, in my opinion. So, thanks, but I'll stick to my shitty and cheesy AvB, A&B, PvD, etc. - at least their music is juicy and not only makes you wanna rip your clothes off, but actually makes you FEEL. While this nonsense makes me want to go to bed, and not for a good reason. Cheers.

Oh, my.

You just shot yourself in the foot there. Yeah, you better leave. Come back when you've learned some of the history of the genre.

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Originally posted by yROMAN 4 years. Does it make a difference?

Some people grow out of their shit taste. It seems you're doomed to keep yours for the rest of your days. I pity you for that.

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> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
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> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

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