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Originally posted by Apeattack Brucelee, you asked how much automation is too much? I think Stu Cox is right when he says that "you can automate whatever you like until it detracts from either your or the crowd's enjoyment." But I would emphasize that profitability is the main reason behind the implementation of automation in any industry. Automation sometimes makes a lot of people uncomfortable and angry, but it still gets implemented because the owner feels there is a greater potential for profit. The profit is a direct function of the crowd's willingness to go back to the club.

Wrong. Why go to a club when you can stay at home and do the samething. Automation is man made, which means it's subject to failure. As I previously stated, Hackers. I know many of them who have been waiting for this age. I hope you can still add and subtract. Or do you need a computer to that for you too.

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Originally posted by djkatmaus This is too rich. You forget hackers exist, and I'm sure they will love to destroy all you speak of. It's a good thing my 1200's will work while your fantasy world is loaded with Trojan viruses and other worms that will bring your technology to a halt.

This is not well thought out.

It is true that our society is becoming more and more dependent upon technology. After each new invention or computer program, we can do tasks faster and more efficiently. We spend time learning how to use the new tools and ignore the 'old fashioned way' of doing tasks. As a result, we start losing the manual skills that once were important. How many people really know how to milk a cow or fix a broken wagon wheel?

As more DJs utilize new technologies, less and less DJs will know how to use the older equipment. Already many DJs have no experience mixing with vinyl (I have very, very little experience with this) although the concepts behind mixing with vinyl are not difficult to understand.

The threat of hackers doing something that could greatly hurt society, such as bringing down the electrical grid, is a very real threat. There are reports of Chinese government-sponsored hackers probing our government and industrial computer networks, the implication being that if a US-China war were to break out the US would be crippled quickly by hackers.

Say hackers do something catastrophic to society, like bring down the electrical grid or ruin everyone's hard drive with a hidden virus. Society would be thrown into such chaos that the need for DJs would be nil... including vinyl DJs.

If hackers continue to do annoying, but non-catastrophic, attacks technology will continue to march on.

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Originally posted by djkatmaus Wrong. Why go to a club when you can stay at home and do the samething. Automation is man made, which means it's subject to failure. As I previously stated, Hackers. I know many of them who have been waiting for this age. I hope you can still add and subtract. Or do you need a computer to that for you too.

Clubs will need someone on hand to hook up a backup computer if the computer that is mixing crashes. He/she would have a similar job as a person at a club who replaces a CDJ (or a vinyl record player) that craps out.

Right now, listening to music on your mp3 player at home cannot compare to the club experience, with its higher production values, bigger speakers, etc. But it is a mistake to think that it will always be this way.

You know many hackers? I would suggest turning them into the authorities unless you want computers and the internet to be destroyed after they attack. Just think about it... there would be no internet forums to check everyday.

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Oh no the Internet goes down. Stop the world as people would have to think for themselves and not have a computer to figure it out.

Well while you continue to live in the world of the Jetsons, the rest of us will continue to entertain all those that come out. Whether it be by cd, vinyl, serato, or whatever, the clubbers will be reassured there will always be a dj in the booth.

comparing the industry automation and djing is not the same, i don't believe in the future robots will run the 100 meters, or play football matches, there could be a robot league but the common football will remain.

I can see how some clubs could let a premixed cd playing, but this is already happening, shit clubs do this. Ironically shit clubs do better when there is a good cd playing (rarely, because instead of playing a good amnesia cd or a well mixed cd of a good dj they play something they made or that the "dj" made with virtual dj) than when the dj is on the booth.

But well mixing is not the real deal of djing, learning to programme a set is the difficult part, and this can't be done by a lot of djs who can and can't beatmatch.

We have a troll loose, no one feed it.

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd We have a troll loose, no one feed it.

Hmmm... who are the real trolls in this thread?

I was completely on point until people started attacking me as a DJ.

If you go back to the first posts of this thread, I started talking to 360madness about how beatmatching is much easier today thanks to autosync technology. He said he wanted to learn to manually beatmatch, which is fine.

I said that using autosync buttons can give a DJ more time for other tasks such as EQing. Brucelee held the contrary position, feeling that manually beatmatching is still an important skill, at the very least as a backup in case something goes wrong. So far, pretty civil and on point.

Then Mr.Mystery starts flaming up the joint with posts like:
"People who need help beatmatching shouldn't be DJ'ing." The obvious implication is that people like me shouldn't be DJing because I don't fit his definition of a 'DJ.' Naturally I defend myself.

Later, others join in the attack of my use of the autosync, so I try to put my actions in a larger context saying that everyone better get used to the idea of autosync'ing because that is the future of DJing. Greater and greater automation has been one of the defining characteristics of civilization since the Industrial Revolution... why should DJing be different.

There were many times where I thought the thread was done, but someone new comes along, attacks my viewpoints, and I feel a need to defend myself.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos comparing the industry automation and djing is not the same, i don't believe in the future robots will run the 100 meters, or play football matches, there could be a robot league but the common football will remain.

By the time we have robots that are capable of playing football, a lot of changes will have happened in our society. Maybe watching robots play football would be more entertaining, maybe not. The TV show "BattleBots" did not last long, but those robots were controlled by people. Imagine if the robots could think and talk... maybe it would a lot more entertaining (and more importantly for the networks, cheaper) than anything people could do.

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I can see how some clubs could let a premixed cd playing, but this is already happening, shit clubs do this. Ironically shit clubs do better when there is a good cd playing (rarely, because instead of playing a good amnesia cd or a well mixed cd of a good dj they play something they made or that the "dj" made with virtual dj) than when the dj is on the booth.

Right now having a DJ in the booth usually will be far superior to having a premixed CD, unless the DJ is a complete trainwreck. We still place a value on seeing a real person mix songs together because there is not a good alternative (computer programs cannot automix songs well enough). It will be interesting to see if patrons and club owners will favor live DJs or automixing software once the software is created and refined.

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But well mixing is not the real deal of djing, learning to programme a set is the difficult part, and this can't be done by a lot of djs who can and can't beatmatch.

If by 'program a set' you mean 'create a set' then I totally agree (I'm not sure if you are talking about creating a computer 'program' that can create a set). There are many DJs who never take the time to study how successful DJs construct sets.

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Originally posted by djkatmaus Oh no the Internet goes down. Stop the world as people would have to think for themselves and not have a computer to figure it out. Well while you continue to live in the world of the Jetsons, the rest of us will continue to entertain all those that come out. Whether it be by cd, vinyl, serato, or whatever, the clubbers will be reassured there will always be a dj in the booth.

If a virus knocked out most of the computers in the US, you would be affected just as much as me. Even if you do not use a computer often (the frequency of your posts indicate otherwise) the rest of society is totally dependent upon them. Powergrids, hospitals, businesses, national defense, airports, financial markets, etc... all totally rely on computers to manage day-to-day operations.

People living in 1910 would think of us as "Jetsons." Barring a major catastrophe, we likely will think of people living in 2110 as "Jetsons."

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Well that's just amazing, man.

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Originally posted by Apeattack If a virus knocked out most of the computers in the US, you would be affected just as much as me. Even if you do not use a computer often (the frequency of your posts indicate otherwise) the rest of society is totally dependent upon them. Powergrids, hospitals, businesses, national defense, airports, financial markets, etc... all totally rely on computers to manage day-to-day operations. People living in 1910 would think of us as "Jetsons." Barring a major catastrophe, we likely will think of people living in 2110 as "Jetsons."

What you posted is pretty sad, and indicates you views towards the human race. If you cannot think for yourself, do things for yourself, than you might as well dig a hole and bury yourself.

Typically I don't post much, unless it's something technical or advice. But with your constant fantasyland postings, the comedy of this thread keeps me coming back.

FYI, most software designers are indeed hackers themselves.