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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Heh, Nellie, you might be interested in this: Human: Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Primates Superfamily: Hominoidea Family: Hominidae Subfamily: Hominae Genus: Homo Species: Sapiens Chimpanzee: Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Primates Superfamily: Hominoidea Family: Pongidae Subfamily: Ponginae Genus: Pan Species: Troglodytes So, we and the chimps are the members of a single superfamily. So we could have micro-evolved from each other, right?

Puh-lease . Haven't you read the bible???

Human:
Phylum: Dust
Class: Adam
Order: Rib
Superfamily: Abel
Family: Moses
Subfamily: Flood
Genus: Jesus
Species: Bible

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Wanted to pull this one out seperatly. First of all,God does not stand neutral on sexuality. If you look up Leviticus 18:22 it clearly states the following. "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." This isn't the only verse,I will search for others. This doesn't mean God HATES homosexuals. God loves all people, this is true. But, he doesn't condone the lifestyle. A lot of people get this confused. I don't believe God is going to send tornados,and junk like that to "wipe out" homosexuality. But, I know for each sin there is a consequence. Everyone sins,and everyone has to deal with the consequence afterward.

Oh goody! Leviticus is definitely one of my favorite OT books. Here's some of my favorites:

11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

11:11
They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

11:12
Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Translation: shellfish are offlimits! They are a complete abomination of God! Don't even think of eatin' them!!!

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14:2-52 - God's treatment for leprosy:

In summary- Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally find another pair of birds. Kill one and dip the live bird in the dead bird's blood. Wipe some blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle the house with blood 7 times. That's all there is to it.

Pretty scientific stuff huh? God sure knows his medical treatments well!

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Let's see, what other goodies do we have,

20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Translation: those who disrespect their parents, off with ye head!

20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Translation: cheatin' bastards need some rat poison as well.

20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Hey Nessa, why did you leave this one out? Doesn't this say to kill all the gays? I guess God does hate fags after all. Wow, Phelps was right I guess.

19:18 "Love thy neighbor as thyself."

Great line, one of the best messages in the Bible. Doesn't it contradict a little bit with the above killings? Would it not contradict with God encouraging the Israelites to kill their neighbors here: Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15?

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Lev.20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.

I thought God loved everyone?

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19:20
And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.

19:21
And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering.

19:22
And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.

Translation: a guy can have sex with a slave woman and get away with it. But the slave woman should be scourged. Wow, that's really fair now isin't it?
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And I thought that the next lines might apply to you, Nessa. You did mention that you have a physical disability, right?:

21:16
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

21:17
Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.

21:18
For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

21:19
Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

21:20
Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

21:21
No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

21:22
He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.

21:23
Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.

So those with handicaps cannot approach the alter of God because they would "profane" it.
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24:10-23
A guy gets stoned to death for using the Lord's name in vain.

24:16

Same as above. Nice advice God sure gave them.

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And one of my all time favorites, let's hear it for slavery!!!:

25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

25:45
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

25:46
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

So go, Israelites, make slaves out of your neighbors. They are your possessions forever!
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So perhaps it would be best suited not to pick and choose those passages which fit your cause. Because if homosexuality is wrong in Leviticus, then we need to consider the rest of these passages just as much, including murdering all the gays as well.

And you certainly did not read the passage very well I gave, because it's clear that Robertson believes natural disasters are caused by unnatural acts (i.e. sin). The evidence supporting that notion, however, is quite weak. In fact, it's downright hilarious.

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^^ And it's even more enjoyable in Lego form:

http://www.thereverend.com/brick_testament



'Yahweh will send wild animals to attack you.' - Leviticus 26:22

The "When to Stone Your Children" section is particularly interesting.

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Originally posted by tathi mustard eating communists

that is yoepus, right? oh damn him...

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Oh goody! Leviticus is definitely one of my favorite OT books. Here's some of my favorites: 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: 11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. 11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. Translation: shellfish are offlimits! They are a complete abomination of God! Don't even think of eatin' them!!! --------------- 14:2-52 - God's treatment for leprosy: In summary- Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally find another pair of birds. Kill one and dip the live bird in the dead bird's blood. Wipe some blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle the house with blood 7 times. That's all there is to it. Pretty scientific stuff huh? God sure knows his medical treatments well! ----------- Let's see, what other goodies do we have, 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. Translation: those who disrespect their parents, off with ye head! 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Translation: cheatin' bastards need some rat poison as well. 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Hey Nessa, why did you leave this one out? Doesn't this say to kill all the gays? I guess God does hate fags after all. Wow, Phelps was right I guess. 19:18 "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Great line, one of the best messages in the Bible. Doesn't it contradict a little bit with the above killings? Would it not contradict with God encouraging the Israelites to kill their neighbors here: Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15? ------------------------------ Lev.20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. I thought God loved everyone? ----------------------------- 19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. 19:21 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. 19:22 And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him. Translation: a guy can have sex with a slave woman and get away with it. But the slave woman should be scourged. Wow, that's really fair now isin't it? --------------------------- And I thought that the next lines might apply to you, Nessa. You did mention that you have a physical disability, right?: 21:16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 21:17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. 21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, 21:19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, 21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; 21:21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. 21:22 He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy. 21:23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them. So those with handicaps cannot approach the alter of God because they would "profane" it. ------------ 24:10-23 A guy gets stoned to death for using the Lord's name in vain. 24:16 Same as above. Nice advice God sure gave them. -------------------------- And one of my all time favorites, let's hear it for slavery!!!: 25:44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. 25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 25:46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour. So go, Israelites, make slaves out of your neighbors. They are your possessions forever! ------------------------ So perhaps it would be best suited not to pick and choose those passages which fit your cause. Because if homosexuality is wrong in Leviticus, then we need to consider the rest of these passages just as much, including murdering all the gays as well. And you certainly did not read the passage very well I gave, because it's clear that Robertson believes natural disasters are caused by unnatural acts (i.e. sin). The evidence supporting that notion, however, is quite weak. In fact, it's downright hilarious.

Symbolism!!! ... no wait Fact!! ... Symbolism!!! Sym ... err fact! Fa ... bolism .... ARRGGGHHHHH!!!!

Hehe I actually feel sorry for the poor girl. This is a lot to take in all at once. From the past 12 or so pages however, it seems to me that Nessa was not quite abreast of all the facts and arguments of evolution NOR the arguments of creationism as evidenced by her lack of scientific argumeents and reasoning to support her cause (such as irreducible complexity). Furthermore, it seems that she lacks an understanding of the history of the church, which should be taken into consideration when reading the bible. Here's a short history lesson of the bible you are reading Nessa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

So unless you are reading the bible in hebrew or old arameic, I suggest you take note of the number of versions and translatios there are of the bible.

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And I thought that the next lines might apply to you, Nessa. You did mention that you have a physical disability, right?: 21:16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 21:17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. 21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, 21:19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, 21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; 21:21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. 21:22 He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy. 21:23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them. So those with handicaps cannot approach the alter of God because they would "profane" it. ------------ 24:10-23 A guy gets stoned to death for using the Lord's name in vain. 24:16 Same as above. Nice advice God sure gave them.

First of all,you have no idea how much the illnesses I deal with hurt me,and I hope you never have to know. I'm serious about this.
It's not just physically painful,it's emotionally painful too. You also have no idea how much what you said offends me.
I went from being perfectly healthy, to being extremely ill in a very very short time. God has NOT once turned his back on me. He's always given me the strength to pull through everytime I've had an attack,or everytime I'd be in public and nearly break down. He's helped me over come some of these problems.
He's been there for me through every hard time,and especially through this. I think you've stepped just a little to far..
Just think about it for a while.

Psalms 41:3 The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness.

I don't have anything else to add.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 First of all,you have no idea how much the illnesses I deal with hurt me,and I hope you never have to know. I'm serious about this. It's not just physically painful,it's emotionally painful too. You also have no idea how much what you said offends me. I went from being perfectly healthy, to being extremely ill in a very very short time. God has NOT once turned his back on me. He's always given me the strength to pull through everytime I've had an attack,or everytime I'd be in public and nearly break down. He's helped me over come some of these problems. He's been there for me through every hard time,and especially through this. I think you've stepped just a little to far.. Just think about it for a while. Psalms 41:3 The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness. I don't have anything else to add.

Sigh ... Nessa, Nessa, Nessa. If you could understand the point MisterOpus is saying you would realise that he's not saying that God is against you. He just proved, with your unwitting help, that by taking those passages from Leviticus and by taking your passage from Psalms that the bible has CONTRADICTIONS. It cannot be made any clearer than that. If you are hurt by MisterOpus's references from the bible, why are you taking offense to him? He's only quoting the good book therefore you should take offense to the bible, the bible ... the bible! THE BIBLE! THHHHEEEEE BBBIIIIBBLLLEEE! BIIIIIBBBLLLLLEEEEE!!!

Hopefully that's enough repetitions.

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Originally posted by occrider Sigh ... Nessa, Nessa, Nessa. If you could understand the point MisterOpus is saying you would realise that he's not saying that God is against you. He just proved, with your unwitting help, that by taking those passages from Leviticus and by taking your passage from Psalms that the bible has CONTRADICTIONS. It cannot be made any clearer than that. If you are hurt by MisterOpus's references from the bible, why are you taking offense to him? He's only quoting the good book therefore you should take offense to the bible, the bible ... the bible! THE BIBLE! THHHHEEEEE BBBIIIIBBLLLEEE! BIIIIIBBBLLLLLEEEEE!!! Hopefully that's enough repetitions.

Let me kindly say,Just shut the heck up. Ok? I don't want to hear anything from you right now. Yea, I'm probably going to apologize for this later,but right now I frankly don't care. Do you understand anything? Because it sure doesn't seem like it right now, Drop this debate crap for one minute and think about someones feelings. Did you really think that him and you posting those verses and both of you mocking them was going to be fun for me? Of course not, but to go in and start in on my health.You have NO idea how hard this is for me right now, It's taken 2 Years of my life away. 2 years I'll NEVER get back. I can't do anything, I'm trapped right now until this illness is cured,and you know the problem about that? There is no cure.
I said so many times not to get personal,now didn't I? I said it for a reason.

I'm not offended by the Bible,I'm offended that someone would do something like that. You want some more salt to rub in that wound? Do you?
Until you understand how it is to be ill this long,or even to be ill with something like this, You need to keep your mouth completely shut about it. Because you have NO idea, you just have NO idea.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Let me kindly say,Just shut the heck up. Ok? I don't want to hear anything from you right now. Yea, I'm probably going to apologize for this later,but right now I frankly don't care. Do you understand anything? Because it sure doesn't seem like it right now, Drop this debate crap for one minute and think about someones feelings. Did you really think that him and you posting those verses and both of you mocking them was going to be fun for me? Of course not, but to go in and start in on my health.You have NO idea how hard this is for me right now, It's taken 2 Years of my life away. 2 years I'll NEVER get back. I can't do anything, I'm trapped right now until this illness is cured,and you know the problem about that? There is no cure. I said so many times not to get personal,now didn't I? I said it for a reason. I'm not offended by the Bible,I'm offended that someone would do something like that. You want some more salt to rub in that wound? Do you? Until you understand how it is to be ill this long,or even to be ill with something like this, You need to keep your mouth completely shut about it. Because you have NO idea, you just have NO idea.

When all else fails...change the topic.

Thats basically what you are doing...theve proved you wrong countless times, and you fail to understand that the Bible is filled with contradictions.

P.S....God DOESNT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King When all else fails...change the topic. Thats basically what you are doing...theve proved you wrong countless times, and you fail to understand that the Bible is filled with contradictions. P.S....God DOESNT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!

What a loser..

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Originally posted by Cyrus King When all else fails...change the topic. Thats basically what you are doing...theve proved you wrong countless times, and you fail to understand that the Bible is filled with contradictions. P.S....God DOESNT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!

Blasphemy, everyone knows his holineness lord cookie monster will return

Edit: Nellie edited her post, the original: "you are a sore loser" addressed to Cyrus

so Nellie is this the 14th debate you have won on the internet?

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So all this is turning out to be is mocking God. Yea,that's trampling all over the first amendment, I don't pick on your beliefs,so I'll ask you,Don't pick on mine.

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