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Originally posted by KidConscious no one gives a fuck about the label man, seriously. i love a&b, smith&pledger, and Super8... but i don't honestly give a fuck about anjunabeats and their 'vinyl pressing'. quit bitching dude, people respect artists for their music, not the labels out their sweating and toiling over new releases. oh, and you can 'hope' all you wan't, you've made no difference.

your an absolute tard. if it wasnt for anjunabeats you may have never heard the likes of a&b, smith adn pledger, endre, MDJ, super8 at all. they work their bollocks off there. and people do care about the label, so your wrong already. fuckin canadian tit-wank.

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It's funny that people in ripping groups are on promo lists and get all the new/rare stuff first but any decent person can't get on those lists no matter what.

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Originally posted by Digital Rain It's funny that people in ripping groups are on promo lists and get all the new/rare stuff first but any decent person can't get on those lists no matter what.

What's funny is that release group members are on promo lists, period. This is just asking for leaks, and since ripping music is all the groups were created for, that would have to be a red flag. There again, it's the responsibility of the label/producer to make sure what people are getting the tracks.

It does suck though, that promo lists are pretty much only for the priveledged people in the scene.

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i always wondered why the labels have such a huge gap between sending out the promos and releasing the actual release? if the djs will like it, they will play it right off, if they don't - they won't start in a month, nor in a year. so why not release tracks earlier, when the interest to them is still hot?

and why not completely switch to digital downloads? (only the real hard-headed examples of djs have "devotefully" stayed with vinyl medium as the only "true" medium for "true" djs, with even pvd playing off final scratch). you will get the same profit margin with much lower retail price (because no "vinyl pressing" and other costs will be involved) - and, therefore, much more demand. plus there will be no such term as "unsold copies". you have to understand that once the track is out, it will be ripped (sooner or later), so there is no way to stop this. and all those who download track don't automatically classify as potential customers - most of them would never buy the tune anyway.

also, why not give out radio versions of the tracks for free? nobody buys singles because of them (if not in the album) anyway, and you will have people appreciating what you are doing (and some of them buying the full versions just being grateful).

that's just a couple of advances you can try. remember, we are in the 21st century, and the ways people do business have changed. you have to adapt to changes in order to get profit, or you can whine and do nothing (nothing that improves your business processes constantly, that is) and sink.

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maybe if you would send out more copies people would not have to download!

it's not the filesharers fault you make this great fucking track and they become obsessed with it.

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The issue here for a lot of people isn't that filesharing is free. We are not idiots. We like the music, and we want to support the people who make it.

The issue is access.

Look say people are raving about song X. How do I get to hear it? Well I can try and track it down in a liveset. Scan the liveset for wherever the song is located and then listen to it. If I want to listen to it again because it was interesting, then I have to hunt around for the start of it etc.

Now let's assume after a couple of listens I decide that this song is worthy of ownership. I WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY. What can I do?

Option 1: Wait X months for it to appear on vinyl.

Option 2: Wait X months for it to appear on a cd compilation.

Yes in 1510-1995 a compilation or vinyl was a legitimate way of distributing music BUT I hate to break it to all you vinyl/cd lovers out there... PHYSICAL DISTRIBUTION OF MUSIC SUCKS! If I want a cd then honestly I can handle the 50 cents and 2 minutes it takes to make one on my computer...

Its the age of bits and bytes, and as filesharing so obviously proves INTERNET DISTRIBUTION is the ONLY option. ANY, I repeat ANY attempt to compete with Internet Distribution with some form of PHYSICAL distribution is ludicrous. If you don't agree with that then get out of the thread, cause that very fact is the reason this thread exists!

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If you want my business. And i'm very willing to spend a couple hundred bucks a year on music then this is one suggestion as to how to get it.

1) You offer every song immediately for FREE in 96kps format... the second its released on promo. If people are talking about a song, then there is absolutely no reason why I should have to find it in a live set, or wait till the next episode of ASOT is on in the hopes its played. That's dinosaur thinking. You have a song that is supposed to be good, then let me listen to it without any hassles. There is no reason why I should have to jump through any hoops to try your product.

2) You offer every song immediately for a FAIR PRICE in a high bit rate (pop songs go for .99 cents as a comparison) the second its released on promo. Again, why should I have to wait any time to give you money once your music is out there? How do I benefit by being forced to only hear your music on the radio? Or by being forced to wait 6 months and buy it with 9 other songs I could care less about. That's dinosaur logic. I've tasted your product. I like what I've tasted so let me buy the damned thing.

3) You do 1 and 2 at one convenient website where I don't have to worry about hunting around between different labels trying to figure out who is offering the song and who isn't.

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That's the only logical solution. Your competing with ACCESS and PRICE. Physical distribution will NEVER compete with access so its pointless to look for solutions there, and by definition physical distribution costs more than digital so its a lose lose proposition. Ignore that logic at your own peril...

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Originally posted by smoorhs maybe if you would send out more copies people would not have to download! it's not the filesharers fault you make this great fucking track and they become obsessed with it.

some tracks r released like 3 month after u hear it on ASOT or live in a set..who wants to wait all that..look at second sun- the spell its almost too fucken years already..all those cryin about downloading...i bet if downloading absolutely stopped for a year or two u will be begging for it again..andy bagg to tell u the truth if there was no downloading i bet u not a single person in the US or canada would no who u r or ur label..meaning alot less sales..i gurantee you will not survive much without the internet.

Andy's right, the rights belong to him and genix. Rip groups need to go and they know who they are, it's time we got rid of them. They are flooding the scene with every promo on earth. My question always was how the people who rip the tracks sleep at night, I mean you are techincally doing something illegal. Yes filesharing is inevitable and yes I would not be heavily in the EDM scene without mp3's but they served their purpose and outlived it long ago. MP3's might be the future but I'm sick of artists having their stuff leaked on the net, they pay for it, they should get to control it. People can always say get it cheap and I'll buy, that's an lame excuse imo. Speaking as someone who gets promos, I respect the artists and labels who make and put out the stuff. It's their stuff, they effectively own it and you can cry all you want about how's it is unfair but that's true. I will say that compilations are getting better now, well some are at least. If an artist trusts you not to leak it out, then you respect that. I've always thought that some A list dj rips tracks and I still think of that to a degree because so many leaks are happening and I reckon it's an A list dj or their manager. The scene will die, if you people don't support it, buy CDs, buy vinyls and go see gigs. It's the rip groups fault about new promo albums coming out with this is a (insert label name here) promo all over hte songs. Which is a disgrace, I rather hear the full thing but I understand that labels have to resort to this now because of lamers in the scene, it's sad how mp3's have degenerated into what they are now.

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Originally posted by Subey A long, well thought-out post

Word! That was the best post on the mp3 issue that i have ever read to date. Not only did you discuss the current situation, but you also suggested a SOLUTION to the problem - a solution that i whole-heartedly agree with.

Kudos to you!

this is the most sensible thread ever. i am amazed there arent any flaming on any of the 15 pages!

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Originally posted by extepan this is the most sensible thread ever. i am amazed there arent any flaming on any of the 15 pages!

15 pages? lol. Time to make the switch man.