nice disclaimer, I havent followed hard house too well since a couple years ago, so I wouldnt know either

(if anyone is in the know about teh hardhouse and something good is happening, then please say something, cuz I used to enjoy it alot)

It seems to me that some sounds are more acceptable to recycle than others, at least according to the general opinion in these parts.

I think the scale to which certain elements of music are over-used is different depending on where a person lives. I find in my area that what I call "the sleepy baseline" is the most over used sound. That up and down snoring kind of sound that plays non stop in any given markus shulz set is a good example of this sleepy bass line.

Still, kids are eating up this dark progressive nonsense like it was invented yesterday, but you don't find many people calling that cheesy.

Another one that I get tired of is the "amen break". I don't understand how kids can enjoy hearing this same beat for entire nights week after week, accopanied by the same roaring bass synths, with different little hih pitched sounds on top of it. But I dare not call DnB cheesy, because I might get shot, especially if the party was in Durham.

Kids come from these other styles to here and start talking like their shit never stinks, but I can smell it, and it smells like cheese!

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I think the scale to which certain elements of music are over-used is different depending on where a person lives. I find in my area that what I call "the sleepy baseline" is the most over used sound. That up and down snoring kind of sound that plays non stop in any given markus shulz set is a good example of this sleepy bass line. Still, kids are eating up this dark progressive nonsense like it was invented yesterday, but you don't find many people calling that cheesy.

People do call it cheesey !! It's just that the cheese balls out number the non-cheese balls.

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JEESUS this thread is going nowhere. With all these ambiguous definitions of cheese, you guys should load Sasha and Digweed's first Renaissance mix collection and do a nice review on that. It has the same basic elements as repetition and even melody. Its cheese???

The thing is that no one will ever be right. Its a matter of perception and experience. There is no rightful definition of cheese.

For those of you not even out of highschool... you have alot to learn.

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Originally posted by vhx1 JEESUS this thread is going nowhere. With all these ambiguous definitions of cheese, you guys should load Sasha and Digweed's first Renaissance mix collection and do a nice review on that. It has the same basic elements as repetition and even melody. Its cheese??? The thing is that no one will ever be right. Its a matter of perception and experience. There is no rightful definition of cheese. For those of you not even out of highschool... you have alot to learn.

the difference is that s & d made renaissance cause its good music, and what they like, yes it has some vocals, some bad, some good, but they didn't make it for mtv...

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I think the scale to which certain elements of music are over-used is different depending on where a person lives.

Well that's a major issue you've highlighted.

Think about tracks as sort of existing somewhere on a two dimensional plane for simplicity.

Where tracks that are similar appear closer together, and tracks that are dissimilar have larger distances between them.

As a producer makes a new track, it will either appear close to previous locations, or it will exist in a new area that is "empty". As soon as a track appears in an otherwise empty area then that area will be "poppulated" by similar tracks as that sound space is explored.

The issue then for your own ears is this: Do you like that sound space? And if you like it, how much exploration in that sound space can you tolerate before it becomes tiresome?

Everyone's answers to those two questions will be different.

The problem arises then when people are intolerant of other people's personal acceptance of a musical space. For someone who enjoys a musical space, the differences that appear minimal between the tracks within that space are magnified // for someone who is is tired of a musical space then the differences between tracks collapses.

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Originally posted by Subey The problem arises then when people are intolerant of other people's personal acceptance of a musical space. For someone who enjoys a musical space, the differences that appear minimal between the tracks within that space are magnified // for someone who is is tired of a musical space then the differences between tracks collapses.

so true...

if someone even mention the words hip hop on hear they get replies along the lines of....its all the same, fake gangsta shit and nigga this nigga that. But if you listen its infact very good its just as you dont like it you have a htred for it.

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Originally posted by JakeC But if you listen its infact very good its just as you dont like it you have a htred for it.

I dont understand, thats your opinion not a fact

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Originally posted by daeus I dont understand, thats your opinion not a fact

what i was trying to say was it infact is not what you think it is and every genre has something for someone.

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Originally posted by JakeC what i was trying to say was it infact is not what you think it is and every genre has something for someone.

no worries, i just wanted to add my peice to the pointless classic "trance addict argument"

u got a point, i find the syth makes trance the purest form of music which i like.

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Originally posted by daeus no worries, i just wanted to add my peice to the pointless classic "trance addict argument" u got a point, i find the syth makes trance the purest form of music which i like.

the good old "inb4dablock"

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Originally posted by Blue Balls OK. The term cheesey is used in regard to its cultural or contextual significance rather than actual composition. why the fuck are we taking about the actual songs compostion. That's not the definition of cheese.

Yes it is. Are you completely thick? Cheese has nothing to do with context, it's entirely to do with the sound of the track. Do you even know what contextual significance is?

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Another One that bothers me is that Max Graham track that has that bassline ripped from an Orgy tune.

that damn song is getting HAMMERED (over here at least) and it is starting to drive me a little crazy.

that song and the general vibe that songs like it give off really bothers me, but I don't even want to start saying max graham is cheese cuz that will start all sorts of hell.

Anyway, I came out of this thread having learned more stuff, it seems like this dutch category of trance that you guys are using is by definition the over the top stuff, and that when I mentioned tracks that I thought weren't over the top you all showed them to not be in that same category. This is kind of a releif, for a while there I though you guys really beleived that the whole emotional trance paradigm was unworthy and all I was really trying to point out was that good songs existed from that category.

But now it seems like dutch trance does not equal all of the epic styles, and that you guys are also aware of tolerable trance tunes, you just classify them differently than I did.

Anyway, I admit to enjoying some cheesy tunes, not so much because I am ignorant of other styles, but because I prefer to hear a bit of synth-play in the mid and high ranges and the genres typicaly associated with non cheesiness are dominated by bass and percussions, with less to offer in synth play. I know that is not true 100% of the time, but it happens often enough to make it a pain trying to appreciate one of those styles which is mostly glitches and clangs when I'm wanting to hear some sounds I consider more pleasing.

Anyway, if you want to debate the point of non trance styles being largely dominated by basslines and percussions then by all means name some tracks from other styles with a bit more synth play in them, cuz I kinda want to hear some.