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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN tathi, you should know better than to post a split second gif to represent that attempted tackle. you play a much longer version of it and its much less damning. he wasnt near the ball. if you go in hard like that and you dont get the ball then im sorry, even if you dont trip the guy up like he made out youre still in dangerous waters.

And he wasn't anywhere near his legs either? To my knowledge he was sliding to deflect a potential shot, and then Grosso dived over his back. Look closely at Grossos right foot as it's about to land steadily on the ground (which would have had him up and running after the ball) until he realises he'd have more luck trying for the penalty so his knee turns to jelly and he exageratedly pulls his right foot back and leans forward. It's a textbook dive.

I really hope Italy get booed onto the pitch for their game against the Ukraine, the fans need to show them that this disgraceful behaviour will not be tolerated because it's sending the game into disrepute.

^^ im not for a moment debating that he dived. however im saying the defender certainly impeded the striker and youve gotta be careful doing that in the box & being the last line of defence. i still reckon its a 50-50 call and depends on which school you went to

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Originally posted by LuNaSeA lol take things too seriously much? (i dont like what he did either, just for the record.)

i know it's just a game. the problem for me, is these wusses have the nerve to do what they are doing wearing an italian jersy, and do it w/out showing the slightest bit of shame IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE WORLD. it disgusts me to see these pieces of crap representing people like me/us who have italian blood running thru their veins.

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Originally posted by raveed theres nothing wrong with what he did. Agreed its not sportmanship but any other player would have done the same thing. When a player dives in front of you in the box, its like being offered a penalty on a silver platter. The only reason this incdident is being so hyped up is because its a knockout game and a sad way for a team that played so well in the tournament to be knocked out but thats football for you.

it's not just penalty that was called, when the italian should have gotten a yellow card for "simulation" -that's we call it in spanish, i don't know what the exact soccer term for it is english... it's just that this is how italy plays. plain and simple... this is what they do for 90minutes. it's not a startling revalation. i will admit that i have been in a sort of denial about this... i was never happy about it, which is why i rarely openly root for italy in a football game. and when i do root for italy, a part of me feels disgusted, because i know exactly what they are going to do... i almost justified this sort of thing to myself, but calling it smart soccer by using the ref/rules to help you control the game... kind of like the sissy tatics that you see in basket ball to draw fouls, or what they call "managing the clock" in american football.

but for me, this game was over the top. and enough is enough.

i don't think the aussies were totally robbed, because i don't think they would have won the game at all even w/OT or penalties. but this was truly a crappy way to go especially since the socceroo's didn't even get a chance to respond.

for now on, i refer to the italian national team as "forza rosa".
these guys make me sick. i hope they get killed in the next round.

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Originally posted by sr126 when the italian should have gotten a yellow card for "simulation" -that's we call it in spanish, i don't know what the exact soccer term for it is english...

simulation is just a polite english term they use for diving. In any case this incident highlights the fact that video replays are clearly needed in football.

On tv, it looked like grosso had taken a dive but the referee doesnt have the option to see it in slow motion and this was a tough one to call. Lucal neil went for the tackle early and didnt get the ball which went against him. In any case, as dirty as Italy are deemed to be playing, one cant deny the fact they have the worst luck when it comes to world cups. Getting robbed by bad refereeing the last time and going out on PK's on 2 previous occasions so you cant help but think they deserve a bit of good fortune to come their way.

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Originally posted by raveed Lucal neil went for the tackle early and didnt get the ball which went against him.

actually I don't think he was going for a tackle, he was trying to block a shot. The Italian guy did start to cock his leg for a shot just as Neill starting coming into frame, you can see his foot twitch like he was about to go for a kick, he stopped cos Neil was blocking. Admittedly though the other leg did sweep around like it may have been a tackle, but I honestly believe the only intention of the slide was to block a shot.

you can see it here, the Italian guy starts to shuffle and bring his leg through for a kick just as Neil goes (a fair way) in front of him, he then cancelled the kick and ran into him

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I can't believe what a noob that Totti is! he knows the penalty isnt right, but when he scores, he celebrates it like he scored a beautiful goal. And his thumb in his mouth?? Why? to show that he sucks cock in the dressroom??

Always the lucky italians in the last minute, its a fukn disaster. IT even looks like a corrupt referree imo!

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Originally posted by raveed simulation is just a polite english term they use for diving. In any case this incident highlights the fact that video replays are clearly needed in football. On tv, it looked like grosso had taken a dive but the referee doesnt have the option to see it in slow motion and this was a tough one to call. Lucal neil went for the tackle early and didnt get the ball which went against him. In any case, as dirty as Italy are deemed to be playing, one cant deny the fact they have the worst luck when it comes to world cups. Getting robbed by bad refereeing the last time and going out on PK's on 2 previous occasions so you cant help but think they deserve a bit of good fortune to come their way.

argentina has been robbed on several occassions also. hell, the US was robbed in their last game against ghanna. this happens to everybody.

the brits hate us (argentina) for the maradona's 'hand of god' goal. and rightly so, the ref let it go, because from the ref's angle it looked like a header, not 'mano' -hand in english. but one can argue that this is payback for the british did to argentina in the '66 WC in the knock out stage where a brit defender hugged 'tarzan'-the argentine goaly to prevent him from blocking englands shot on the goal. england got a way with it. england won the game 1-0 and ended up winning the WC.

in the end, i don't like or agree w/the idea of karma settling the score somewhere down the line. how many times do you have to get screwed over by the calls the ref makes, or doesn't make, before you get something to go your way? pure luck over a teams skill, and ability to win a game? that just plain sucks. sure everyone deserves good fortune, but what ever happened to just playing the game the best way you can, instead of being a cop out like italy was in this game? plus, everytime italy has been robbed, i don't australia had anything to do w/it. -correct me if i'm wrong, because i don't remember all these things off the top of my head.

what happened today is not justice in my book. the example between argentina and england, ok... but not this game. i don't think anybody in australia will accept the idea of poor italy finally got the justice they were owed, and they diserve to advance at australia's expense. australia came to play. they came to try win their first WC, not do italy any favors.


unfortuantely, sepp blatter made a point to NOT allow new technology such as instant replay. he justified by saying that football needs that "human touch/factor". i can't remember his exact words, but that's pretty much what he said, plain and simple.

i take this as his way of endorsing corruption, gross negligence, incompetence, and to a lesser extent honest mistakes on the part of ref's. sportsmanship, and the whole idea of "may the best team win" is now and will continue to be worthless.

i for one would love to see FIFA take necessary steps to make games fair. personally, i'm sick of referee's having way too much discresion in writing history. not just in the WC but in regular games as well. it feels cheap to see my team or any team win w/the help of the ref whether it's intentional or not. it also hurts that much more to see you team loose the game because of the ref. all of can identify w/this, no doubt. i'm also sick of trying to calculate the "ref factor" in to every game i watch. check this out -i belive argentina CAN beat germany in their next game... but will the ref allow that to happen? sure it's possible for germany to win fair and square, they're a great team too. but are we (fans/the teams) gonna get a fair and square game. honestly, i don't think so. i hope i'm wrong.

refs should see this as a tool to help them keep the games fair and under proper control, and to correct an error because they had a bad angle when questionable play occurs. to protect sprotsmanship, and the idea of "may the best team win"... but that would hinder FIFA's ability to run the games like WWF runs their soap opera.

sometimes i hate being an idealist... it's pretty stressfull sometimes. =-(

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Originally posted by RapidFire fuckin spain with their fuckin diving. fuck em all. FUCK.

You dream with Spain, right?

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End of the day, lucas neil has stopped grosso progressing any further in the box without going anywhere near the ball, most pundits on the tv have said it was a penalty if a little soft.

It's amazing the way everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash italy, and yet it's pretty much the same situation as the ghana penalty, in fact the ghana penalty vs the usa was even less of a penalty, and yet ghana are a plucky, determinded team, wheras italy, who held out for a whole half with 10 men are cheats. Double standards?

Grosso done the right thing, italy were facing another 30 minutes of football with a man down, show me a player who wouldn't have gone down in this situation.

And it's amazing to see an argentina fan call anyone cheats

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