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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i believe i was referring to coherence

I think in his case the two go hand in hand, and it seems for him that ship sailed long ago

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Originally posted by Dj Skez I almost lost it and yelled "what the fuck are you talking about you fucking Jew?" and slammed the door on them.

That makes no sense, whatsoever.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I've never read an article which has satisfactorily explained the science and reasoning behind it. There was a time when I had a subscription to New Scientist and they ran big bang stories every second week too.

What about microwave background radiation, cosmic red shift, or the abundance of primordial elements (i.e. hydrogen)? Cosmic red shift alone implies an expanding universe.

Damn this thread fucking sucks. 'My only fear of death is reincarnation'

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I'm not sure what you mean when you say you "don't believe in the Big Bang," though. Do you mean you don't believe the universe has been expanding from a very hot, small, dense initial state since about fourteen billion years ago?

Nope. I believe it's expanding; I've been suitably convinced of that. I'm not 100% convinced on the fact that it started from a small, dense point that exploded though. However, to me, this seems to be the best theory we have at the moment and it's the one that seems most plausible. Until something else comes along I'll settle for the big bang.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Nope. I believe it's expanding; I've been suitably convinced of that. I'm not 100% convinced on the fact that it started from a small, dense point that exploded though. However, to me, this seems to be the best theory we have at the moment and it's the one that seems most plausible. Until something else comes along I'll settle for the big bang.

Isn't that how science treats any theory? "The best we have at the moment" until some evidence turns up to prove it wrong?

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Originally posted by ******** Science is like writting a book or practicing law. You have something you understand and a result. You try to give information on the state of things within the experiment. Then using time you descibe what happened from point a to point b. If things occur the same then you can develop a law - until something different occurs.

Science isn't all that much like writing books or practicing law at all, except in the sense that they involve a procedure of generalizations followed by refinement of generalizations. But practically any human intellectual activity is going to involve that.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Isn't that how science treats any theory? "The best we have at the moment" until some evidence turns up to prove it wrong?

Perhaps true, pure science does, but as a "regular" member of the public, I believe 100% that we evolved from apes, I believe 100% that water can be split into hydrogen and oxygen and I believe 100% that the stars are big balls of burning gas. Although it could certainly be argued by a determined person that these are not "true", verified facts, in my mind they are as true as anything. The big bang, however, is not.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Perhaps true, pure science does, but as a "regular" member of the public, I believe 100% that we evolved from apes, I believe 100% that water can be split into hydrogen and oxygen and I believe 100% that the stars are big balls of burning gas. Although it could certainly be argued by a determined person that these are not "true", verified facts, in my mind they are as true as anything. The big bang, however, is not.

I just don't see what makes the Big Bang theory different from those other theories you mentioned. Do you see any more evidence against Big Bang than you do against evolution by common descent, atomic theory, or stellar fusion?

Personally, I have a much easier time wrapping my mind around the Big Bang idea than I do with trying to think about special relativity or quantum mechanics...

you can split water all day, look at animals evolve all year, and send probes into the sun whenever. can't really observe a big bang.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail you can split water all day, look at animals evolve all year, and send probes into the sun whenever. can't really observe a big bang.

Well, you can't directly "observe" the evolutionary juncture where humans and chimps split from one another, either, and certainly not the one where animals and plants split or eukaryotes and prokaryotes. You just extrapolate back into the past based on what you observe in the present, which is the same method used to get the Big Bang theory...