as paying customers, dont we have a right to bitch and moan about shit? LOL

Dave, not to be rude, but everyone here understands it is VERY difficult to throw an event and get the best headliners. At the same time I am pretty sure 99.999% of the people don't care that it is hard... they give their $50-80 and expect it to be a good lineup. It was last year, it isn't as good this year, but when all is said and done the vibe COULD be better. Thats all. No one cares how hard it was for anyone to make the lineup honestly. That sucks for the promoters who probably worked just as hard as last year if not harder, but ultimately that isn't the crowds problem. They are still paying the same amount and expect a similar show. That is just how life works... If I buy a sandwich that tastes great one day then go back the next and it tastes bad I am not going to care that it was too crowded when I came by, the chef accidentally poured a vat of mayo in it, etc etc. I just care that the sandwich tastes bad. Skills always does a great job though and the AP is one of the best if not the best dance festival of the year, so I really don't see myself or anyone being disappointed day of.

im only pissed that Mickey Mau5 got booked

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Originally posted by rudypoochris That sucks for the promoters who probably worked just as hard as last year if not harder, but ultimately that isn't the crowds problem.

that sucks you made an assumption based on your own high expectations, bought a ticket to a show without knowing who would be playing, and now you don't think it's worth your money, but ultimately it's not the promoter's problem. no one guaranteed you anything ahead of your purchase, nobody broke any promises to you. it was your own choices that got you to where you are today and nobody owes you shit. you don't even have a good reason to complain as you can easily sell your ticket for what you bought it for and spend that money on whatever else makes you happy. also your sandwich analogy is wack!

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Originally posted by rudypoochris Dave, not to be rude, but everyone here understands it is VERY difficult to throw an event and get the best headliners. At the same time I am pretty sure 99.999% of the people don't care that it is hard... they give their $50-80 and expect it to be a good lineup. It was last year, it isn't as good this year, but when all is said and done the vibe COULD be better. Thats all. No one cares how hard it was for anyone to make the lineup honestly. That sucks for the promoters who probably worked just as hard as last year if not harder, but ultimately that isn't the crowds problem. They are still paying the same amount and expect a similar show. That is just how life works... If I buy a sandwich that tastes great one day then go back the next and it tastes bad I am not going to care that it was too crowded when I came by, the chef accidentally poured a vat of mayo in it, etc etc. I just care that the sandwich tastes bad. Skills always does a great job though and the AP is one of the best if not the best dance festival of the year, so I really don't see myself or anyone being disappointed day of.

Actually, if you go back and read some of the previous post (not necessarily int his thread) some people were basically saying the organizers were lazy and they didn't start early enough ie put more effort into getting everything setup. That's what all that was directed towards...

I don't know how the permit process works but I am 'guessing' that when you apply for a permit you apply for a certain day; you don't apply for 'end of summer' and see what day the city gives you. Now given that, Dave says you can't plan an AfterParty till the party is set. Though this may be true, I suspect if Skills/Spundae brought out top talent then it will sell out if they called it the "I Wish LoveParade Was Still Around Party". If you wait, of course DJs will not be available because of other commitments; now that we are a little over a month away that is. Feel free to point out that all the top talent is now unavailable, well of course they are.

Brilliant move selling tickets before releasing the headliners. Given economy and all, I wonder if they will sell out this time around. I'm just waiting for the $57 price point to sell out so I can sell mine off at what I paid for...and what is up with the $7 service charge?!?! http://www.eventbrite.com/t/how-to-sell-tickets-online Sure looks like they chose how much to charge for fees and it wasn't enforced by EventBrite.

To me, Spundae and Skills has always been two very trusted promoters in the bay area. Suddenly I have a bad taste in my mouth and that taste says greed.

ONE last thing. I read on another forum that Dyloot said it isn't just about the talent but also the productions. POPSIKLE AND YOUR SPINNING DJ BOOTH SUCKED!!! IT CREATES A DISCONNECT WITH THE AUDIENCE AND NO COHESION/VIBE WITHIN THE CROWD. Nothing like staring at an empty stage while waiting for the booth to spin around...at the very least put so go-go dancers up there.

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Originally posted by R!CH that sucks you made an assumption based on your own high expectations, bought a ticket to a show without knowing who would be playing, and now you don't think it's worth your money, but ultimately it's not the promoter's problem. no one guaranteed you anything ahead of your purchase, nobody broke any promises to you. it was your own choices that got you to where you are today and nobody owes you shit. you don't even have a good reason to complain as you can easily sell your ticket for what you bought it for and spend that money on whatever else makes you happy. also your sandwich analogy is wack!

Um... lol... I am not upset about buying my ticket... I would of still bought it if it cost twice as much. I actually am going to be buying two more for friends most likely as the date gets closer. Just because someone wishes the headliners were somewhere in the same league as last years doesn't mean they aren't still down to go. As I have reiterated ad nauseaum this is one of the best parties of the year and I am delighted to go. The lineup just isn't as good as last years by any stretch of the imagination. Read what I wrote before replying or it is pretty hard to take you seriously.

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Originally posted by DaveT Actually, if you go back and read some of the previous post (not necessarily int his thread) some people were basically saying the organizers were lazy and they didn't start early enough ie put more effort into getting everything setup. That's what all that was directed towards...

Maybe they were maybe they weren't, end result is the same. Still don't care about any of the process of selecting a lineup just like the other 99% of the crowd... they are just there for the music and the event and better headliners would of been nice, thats all.


This is going to be a great party, it ALWAYS is thanks to Skills and whoever else does the AP. Like I have said before the lineup isn't that great, it isn't in the same league as last years, that isn't going to change unless they bring out some big mystery headliner. It doesn't need defense or explanation about how hard it is to plan a rave. It is just a statement about the lineup, nothing more. If you really are going to get that defense about what I have said about the lineup that is silly, you should hear what others are saying.

I was thinking they might throw a party either way, but I imagine the daytime events and other things influence whether an agency will be a DJ for that event or events. A lso, bigger DJ who has more control over where he's booked (ie approves all bookings himself) might be more or less inclined given the nature of the event. So, you simply can't go by that. And it can change the terms of the deal with the city to get al lthe other permits and cost. You don't know the business side of it all. It's easy to say that from the outside, but from the business side you have to make smart business decisions and you don't want to be putting deposits down on DJs until you know it's gonna happen.

I think Alain said somewhere around the time the first teaser flyer finally came out that everything was about two months behind vs. last year. If they had to wait two more months to move foward with the bookings, that's a big difference!

And we don't know when everything was finally finalized and they could move forward witht he bookings. And neither do you. It could have been last week or the week before. It could have been last month. Who knows, but I know these people who organize the afterparty and have for a long time and they've nothing to show greed.

BTW, I love the concept of a spinning DJ booth. It has worked damn well for Sensation. The design of Skills' version was pretty bad though, IMO. The whole center column was a big FAIL with me, personally. It really causes that disconnect. At least you can see the DJs' back if the center area was open! That said, I hope it's not used at the aftparty. The design of the place just doesn't fit it well.

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Originally posted by rudypoochris Maybe they were maybe they weren't, end result is the same. Still don't care about any of the process of selecting a lineup just like the other 99% of the crowd... they are just there for the music and the event and better headliners would of been nice, thats all. This is going to be a great party, it ALWAYS is thanks to Skills and whoever else does the AP. Like I have said before the lineup isn't that great, it isn't in the same league as last years, that isn't going to change unless they bring out some big mystery headliner. It doesn't need defense or explanation about how hard it is to plan a rave. It is just a statement about the lineup, nothing more. If you really are going to get that defense about what I have said about the lineup that is silly, you should hear what others are saying.

People have the right to complain about the lineup. Can't please everywhere. That's fair game. Not qualms about that.

But acting as if the organizers are being greedy, or are lazy, or don't know how to book, etc etc....that's stuff that gets a bit personal. Those are the people I'm talking to. If you aren't sitting there saying the lineup is what it is because of the laziness, greed, etc etc etc...then just ignore what I said. Or at least wait until after the event to come back and say that if you feel that you didn't get the production you expected vs. the lineup and the entry fee. But making those accusation when people, myself included, don't know the full facts, if any, up front is just unnecessary.

For the most part, what you've said is fine, IMO. Most of what I'm saying isn't directed towards you...other than me trying to say that it's not directed towards you.

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Originally posted by rudypoochris If I buy a sandwich that tastes great one day then go back the next and it tastes bad I am not going to care that it was too crowded when I came by, the chef accidentally poured a vat of mayo in it, etc etc. I just care that the sandwich tastes bad. Skills always does a great job though and the AP is one of the best if not the best dance festival of the year, so I really don't see myself or anyone being disappointed day of.

That's a ridiculous analogy, the problem you describe is the fault of the chef and is an internal problem, rather than one based on a sequence of events depended upon another variable(s).

Based on your analogy our situation is more like if we were the sandwich shop and all of the sudden the truck from the farmer's market crashed our delivery unintentionally so we don't have the ingredients were use to having. Being the only sandwich shop of this kind in the area do we close or do we go with what we have and feed those who are still hungry; hoping our customers understand the situation. We'll do our best with what we have, hopefully something like this doesn't happen again.

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Originally posted by DaveT People have the right to complain about the lineup. Can't please everywhere. That's fair game. Not qualms about that. But acting as if the organizers are being greedy, or are lazy, or don't know how to book, etc etc....that's stuff that gets a bit personal. Those are the people I'm talking to. If you aren't sitting there saying the lineup is what it is because of the laziness, greed, etc etc etc...then just ignore what I said. Or at least wait until after the event to come back and say that if you feel that you didn't get the production you expected vs. the lineup and the entry fee.

Dave,

To clarify, when I mentioned greed I was talking about service charge of $7 for tickets. I don't think the lack of booking was caused by greed and in no way do I think they are lazy. I am sure many of the people organizing the AfterParty are doing this from the goodness of there heart; no pun intended.

However, when you mention 'don't know how to book'. I am a tad surprised that is coming from you. Now I have never met you, I have seen you standing on stage plenty of times but that makes me knowing you as well as I know the DJs. I have read PLENTY of threads from you criticizing the opening DJ for headliners. Now everything is just speculation at this point, but now that we have seen the talent I have a hard time imagining the progression from one DJ to another.