| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
and when i say it was electro made for detroit tastes, this is implicit - so it's not really an outer-form description. |
I took it to mean Detroit's musical tastes, not its ideological ones.
| quote: | | i remember now that the earlier jeff mills discussion had to do with whether outer form was separable from inner form. I maintain that there is a relationship, but that the relationship itself can differ, and that this relationship itself is a critical part of genre. (eg is it ironic, cynical, parodical, mythological, etc) |
Well, opinion is somewhat divided on this subject, even amongst genre theorists. If you take my prog example, there really is no recurrent outer form except a broad tempo spectrum and the use of a house beat. I guess my question would be: how can you link the compositional expression of African cultural themes to an expressed futurist ethos?
| quote: | | also - where can i read more about this paradigm of inner/outer form in genre? (sorry, i forget if you posted it earlier) - was it the work of wellek and warren? |
That's right, although others have also covered it. Frederick Jameson has his own version called "syntactic" and "semantic", and he has it that they're irreconcilable. I don't remember clearly, but I think Warren and Welleck basically suggested that some kind of synthesis between the two methods would be the future of a working model of genre.
What also needs to be taken into consideration is what I mentioned earlier: that many genres are just convenient groupings of records for the sake of identification and marketing. Personally I'm much less inclined to believe genres are autonomous than you are.
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