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Originally posted by echosystm 6. (Most importantly) you will never get a "12 voice stereo synth" out of 2 Matrixs. If you had 12 voices active, you would end up with some notes playing on the left channel and some notes playing on the right.

This is correct. If you put it in stereo, it will just be two sets of six mono voices, not "twelve voices in stereo."

Stephen, I'm not sure what you mean about "creating a stereo field" in the first place. Do you mean programming the two synths slightly differently and then panning them? It seems kind of pointless just to have both of them programmed the same, because as echosystem already pointed out if you're going to do that you will either have phase issues or different notes playing out each side, neither of which will sound very good.

I guess you could try detuning them from each other or something. You wouldn't even have to pan both of them completely left and completely right, you could pan one half left and the other half right and have them mix in the middle. It might sound nice but it still won't be a "twelve voice stereo synth," just two six voice mono synths.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox UPS is a bunch of lazy bastards....APPARENTLY UPS not only doesn't work thursday for thanksgiving, but they don't work black friday, OR saturday....

UPS sucks. It pains me to say it because I have a family member who works for them, but I go out of my way to avoid doing business with companies that don't offer an alternative whenever possible because they're so damn slow. I've even paid for overnight shipping and it took them 2-3 days to deliver, but trying to get a refund is just a total PITA and not worth the time/frustration IMO.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Not to mention lots of them used trackers back in the day.

Including yours truely a lot still do

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Well update: UPS is a bunch of lazy bastards. My snow has been sitting in some truck 10mins from my house since wednesday night, because APPARENTLY UPS not only doesn't work thursday for thanksgiving, but they don't work black friday, OR saturday. So I get to wait till tuesday now because monday I don't have a minute all day to leave work or school. This really pisses me off, thanks for the free shipping novamusik. If I knew it was gonna take 7 days to get here I would have gladly paid for priority. I know its really noones fault, just bad timing for the holidays, but it really is so aggravating to know my virus is sitting in some truck, doing NOTHING, 10mins from my house and I can't do a damn thing about it..

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Originally posted by Fledz Make the best of it and take the time to read the manual. That way when it arrives you will know exactly how it works and can dive straight in.

...and read this. It's a good overview of subtractive synth programming....

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles This is correct. If you put it in stereo, it will just be two sets of six mono voices, not "twelve voices in stereo." Stephen, I'm not sure what you mean about "creating a stereo field" in the first place. Do you mean programming the two synths slightly differently and then panning them? It seems kind of pointless just to have both of them programmed the same, because as echosystem already pointed out if you're going to do that you will either have phase issues or different notes playing out each side, neither of which will sound very good. I guess you could try detuning them from each other or something. You wouldn't even have to pan both of them completely left and completely right, you could pan one half left and the other half right and have them mix in the middle. It might sound nice but it still won't be a "twelve voice stereo synth," just two six voice mono synths.

I think what he's trying to achieve is a panned out unison effect where each synth is playing the same patch (almost) but just slightly differently. This might help him achieve a wider effect, like the unison in most soft synths.

personally I think chorus/ensemble effects are great

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Originally posted by kitphillips I think what he's trying to achieve is a panned out unison effect where each synth is playing the same patch (almost) but just slightly differently. This might help him achieve a wider effect, like the unison in most soft synths.

We all know what he was trying to achieve, it just doesn't make any sense. This is no different from setting up two IN channels on your DAW, then detuning/panning/whatever. He would be buying a second synth for absolutely no reason. Also, only detuning 2 sources would sound pretty piss weak anyway. You really need 4+ to get anything decent sounding out of unison.

Chaining two Matrixs together is a good idea, because you get a sweet 12 voice mono synth pretty cheap. However, all this half-baked stereo shit is moronic and he clearly has no idea how stereo actually works.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Originally posted by echosystm We all know what he was trying to achieve, it just doesn't make any sense. This is no different from setting up two IN channels on your DAW, then detuning/panning/whatever. He would be buying a second synth for absolutely no reason. Also, only detuning 2 sources would sound pretty piss weak anyway. You really need 4+ to get anything decent sounding out of unison. Chaining two Matrixs together is a good idea, because you get a sweet 12 voice mono synth pretty cheap. However, all this half-baked stereo shit is moronic and he clearly has no idea how stereo actually works.

wrong. i know exactly how it works. the nerd in you just wants to argue (it seems it is 75% of what you do here) because you technically are correct but you know damn well what i'm trying to achieve. i find it funny you rag chaining mx1000's hard and then turn around and say its a good idea. of course you'll predictably say its not the synths but my lack of understanding of stereo and such. yada yada yada. All you want to do is argue. You keep typing, I'll keep buying, and I'll have some really nice analog clips for you where you, nor anyone else, will be able to tell if the sound is mono or not from just listening. You would have everybody here believe it's impossible to take a mono source and turn it into a stereo sound and that's bullshit.

you seem to like to talk a lot but i am having a hard time finding any work done by you. would really like to hear something produced by you so I can get an idea of how good my productions will be when my synth manuals become my bible.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley because you technically are correct but you know damn well what i'm trying to achieve.

I know what you are TRYING to achieve. Emphasis on trying.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley i find it funny you rag chaining mx1000's hard and then turn around and say its a good idea.

I never said there was anything wrong with chaining two Matrixs together, I just said YOUR idea is moronic. It still is.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley where you, nor anyone else, will be able to tell if the sound is mono or not from just listening. You would have everybody here believe it's impossible to take a mono source and turn it into a stereo sound and that's bullshit.

Please explain to me how you think stereo works. I really want to hear this.

PS. I argue because I'm a good person and I'm trying to save you from your own stupidity... And also just because it's hilarious lolol.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.