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In a brief statement, the former Massachusetts governor said he "personally cannot support this deal" because it leaves open the possibility of future tax increases or further defense cuts.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...,0,452826.story










SERIOUSLY?

FUCKING SERIOUSLY?

NO NEW TAXES BUT WE CANT CUT DEFENSE EITHER.

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!

Stupidity is a factor, but it's the way the high ranking American politicians want to make US. They want to create their ideal world, while being funded and supported by the citizen paying for everything. When they lose their support, maybe one day they will see light.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I feel like stealing an icy-pole to get the taste of bullshit out of my mouth.

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Watching Nou & 17sss argue about politics is like watching 2 retards in a boxing match.

Seriously, Nou, can you STFU? You're not helping. Your analogies are way off and your broader understanding is poor. Which is why Opus & Occrider always provided much better rebuttals to what Kevin always posted in PDD. While I disagree with almost everything Kevin advocates, he's smarter than you and provides better researched opinions (even if they're biased). Just stop.

This country's simply too dumb to govern itself. Let's face it, most people voting don't even understand ANYTHING about what they vote over, minus a few "issues." This is exemplified by the Teabagger caucus. They want the deficit cut, but want the "Government to keep their dirty hands off their Medicare." They want services, yet think someone else deserves to pay for them.

I live in a state that gets raped by the federal government when you look at what they get for their federal tax payments vs. benefits. I love hearing states like Alaska brag about their fiscal responsibility when you see that they get nearly $2 in benefits for every $1 paid in federal taxes. They are fucking leeches.

You want a balanced budget amendment (that sounds like a good idea until you actually understand it)...how about adding to it that no states get more money than their state pays in federal taxes?

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

The death of the PDD may not have been such a bad thing after all.

I do miss opus’ rapings of kev.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I live in a state that gets raped by the federal government when you look at what they get for their federal tax payments vs. benefits. I love hearing states like Alaska brag about their fiscal responsibility when you see that they get nearly $2 in benefits for every $1 paid in federal taxes. They are fucking leeches. You want a balanced budget amendment (that sounds like a good idea until you actually understand it)...how about adding to it that no states get more money than their state pays in federal taxes?

Now now, let’s not be silly. Smaller communities will almost always receive a disproportionate amount of taxation revenue. They’re not leeches, it’s just more cost effective to provide various services in regions that contain a lot of people. If your amendment was passed you would be withdrawing services from certain areas despite the fact that the citizens in these regions pay the same rates of tax as everyone else. I don’t see it as fundamentally different to taxing an income of $1M at a different rate than $50,000.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I do miss opus’ rapings of kev. Now now, let’s not be silly. Smaller communities will almost always receive a disproportionate amount of taxation revenue. They’re not leeches, it’s just more cost effective to provide various services in regions that contain a lot of people. If your amendment was passed you would be withdrawing services from certain areas despite the fact that the citizens in these regions pay the same rates of tax as everyone else. I don’t see it as fundamentally different to taxing an income of $1M at a different rate than $50,000.

Alaska wasn't the best example for the reason you listed. But when other recipients like Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, etc. all offer cheap discounts to Honda, Toyota, etc. for moving their factories there because they can afford it as a result of the benefits, there's a problem.

Secondly, those numbers include Homeland Security expenses. When New York is at the low end of the recipient list, plus gets a ton of money for anti-terrorism money, don't you think they're getting fucked when it comes to real domestic projects?

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Alaska wasn't the best example for the reason you listed. But when other recipients like Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, etc. all offer cheap discounts to Honda, Toyota, etc. for moving their factories there because they can afford it as a result of the benefits, there's a problem. Secondly, those numbers include Homeland Security expenses. When New York is at the low end of the recipient list, plus gets a ton of money for anti-terrorism money, don't you think they're getting fucked when it comes to real domestic projects?

as a resident of a state that gets about $1.50 per $1 paid in taxation, i’m not really sure what the alternatives are, and have no major issues with bigger, richer states subsidising the services of their poor, downtrodden buddies across the map. But you’re right, I can see how that may cause problems when sneaky jew states use this to attract corporate settlement. How would you go about fixing that do you think?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN as a resident of a state that gets about $1.50 per $1 paid in taxation, i’m not really sure what the alternatives are, and have no major issues with bigger, richer states subsidising the services of their poor, downtrodden buddies across the map. But you’re right, I can see how that may cause problems when sneaky jew states use this to attract corporate settlement. How would you go about fixing that do you think?

Michigan doesn't even break even and they're far from one of the wealthier states, so the rich/poor state analogy doesn't work. Here's a breakdown as of 2005, which is obviously outdated - http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html%29. Louisiana is going to be a lot higher now, as a result of Hurricane Katrina spending (a worthy expense due to the devastation).
I'd agree with your rich v. poor argument if it actually was reality. Secondly, the states that all make out like bandits all vote Republican, who don't believe what you advocate, that rich should pay higher than the poor.

I really love hearing people talk about how 50% of the public doesn't pay taxes, when you've got 10% unemployment nationwide, and many people just have part-time jobs that don't garner enough money to actually pay taxes. I have an uncle that's a township employee. He makes about $10K a year, at about minimum wage. Is he supposed to pay a lot of taxes? How about my parents' friends at home, one of which doesn't get a consistent 40 hours at K-Mart (after like 15+ years of working there) and her husband doesn't get the same at Wal-Mart? They've lived in the same trailer all my life, so it's obviously paid for (HELOC status unknown). Another uncle has been unemployed for 2 years because the manufacturing job he had in a casket factory moved offshore after a buyout (by a PE company like Romney ran). He wasn't even making $20/hour before.

You know how much some of these people use national resources as a proportion???? Do you think they're flying all over the US and getting their money out of the airports? Why should they be paying for them?

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby So why do we have to cut social programs? Why did your party invent this crisis? We could run up another 14 trillion in debt and it wouldn't harm anyone because we are so tied up in this mess together, the whole world I mean. So, again, why did you invent this crisis?

So, uhhhh....

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Originally posted by The17sss When is Obama going to be responsible for anything? His spending, his economic policies, his everything. He's 3 years in. When are you going to stop making excuses? When will he be responsible for the economy he presides over? WHEN.

You're a fucking imbecile Nou. Why do we have to cut social programs... are you kidding? My god, you are so simplistic. The Republicans invented the crisis? LMAO! Right, but the Democrats' exponentially higher borrowing and spending the past few years compared to the Republicans isn't an issue? How does it feel to know Sarah Palin made it further through school than you?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN 4 words: republican prescription drugs act.

I agree with you man. A travesty, I hated Bush for doing it, and those of us who care about fiscal sanity saw the eventual results coming. Yet, it still pales in comparison to Obama's spending commitments.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I do miss opus’ rapings of kev.

Weak. Opus' tactic was to inundate those who disagree with a minimum of 10,000 words and 50+ links to follow up on, that it took a solid 4+ hours to type up a reply. I tried it a couple of times, going balls out with him and next thing I knew 2 days had passed and his rebuttals were getting even longer. Boring me to death to the point where I don't have the energy to spend literally all day reading and responding to one topic that's getting beat to death more than Nou's self worth does not a victory make.

Occrider, Arbiter, and you (props for PKC!) give some of the best "short and to the point" rebuttals on TA... no doubt.

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Originally posted by The17sss So, uhhhh....

You ignored the part where I said the deficit doesn't matter.