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TranceGiant
randomly disappoints
Registered: Jun 2001
Location: (Strudel)-City that never sleeps
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Concerning: anti-semitism, anti-judaism, anti-zionism, Israel critcism.
Firstly, Im not a big fan of the whole "semite" definition. Im not sure, but as far as I remember it were the Nazis who invented their sick ideology of ppl belonging to certain "tribes", Arians on the one hand, Semites (including Jews and Arabs)on the other hand for example. The word anti-semitism is as old as those ideologies are. It's describing the hatred of Jews (and them only) not out of religious reasons (anti-judaism: as it has been before, see "they were crucifying Jesus" accusations) but out of racist ones. The Jews as a "worse people". Anyway...thats the historical aspect of it..
Zionism is basically the ideology and political movement aiming for an independent Jewish state. Why? The growing anti-semitism at the turn of the cenury in Europe (where assimilation surprisingly lead to a reverse effect!) and the never ending wish to return to the historic and spiritual homeland in israel.
The question is: Is some1 who openly denies this right for Jewish independence a Jew-Hater? Of course if he at the same time accept other nations, admitting that he distuigishes between an English desire for self-gobvernment and a Jewish one.
What is an Israel- critic then? You'll be shocked..but..he's an Israel critic in the same way as he is for example and USA or Zimbabwe critic. Israel must be seen and judged as any other country on the planet but unfortunately that isn't the case. Many ppl dont take their time and deal with the conflict's history but immediately side with the underdog and bash one-sidedly---> destructive criticsm. In most of the cases its the intellectual laziness and not the anti-semitic background which leads to such biased unprofound attitudes.
Conclusion... Feel free to crisice every1 and everything but THINK before you do it.
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 Oct-04-2002 20:59 
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Izzy
Virtue & Vice
Registered: Apr 2001
Location: TX TA #5
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| quote: | Originally posted by fastmp3
Izzy do you condemn the jews who made terrorists acts against germany in WW2 (such as derailing trains) ? i bet you don't condemn and you'll never condemn them , but surely you don't care about the others or "how freaking pissed you are or how many generations you've been caring this hate, nothing should ever come to outright terrorism" , it's "only the palestinians after all, for all you care their peice of land is waiting for them in hell" ... see this is very outrageous , it shows as well that there's a big majority in israel that doesn't want peace whose only wish is to "throw these arabs in the sea" ... |
maybe there was a missunderstanding, yes i belive someone who does "whatever" it takes to achieve thier goal desrves to go to hell, a palestinian or anyone that matter (baruch goldstien - an israeli, saddam, ossama) who commits inhuman acts of terrorism deserves nothing of this world. there are more civil ways to go about doing business. i did not mean or say that the palestinians land is waiting for them in hell but rather those few individuals who do "whatever" it takes need to go there. and yes there is a disctinct difference in your case. jews were derailing tracks, but i wouldnt call it terrorism, they were committing acts of war with the intent of stopping the war machine of the nazi empire. to bring down shipments of soldiers, arms and weapons - not innocent civilians
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Oct-04-2002 21:12 
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rupert
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Aug 2001
Location: bris vegas
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I have two words for those who deny the truth of what happened in 1948
DEIR YASSIN
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Oct-05-2002 00:03 
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ABTsportsline
Disabled Veteran
Registered: May 2001
Location: Rural WA, USA
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i just want to add a quick note here, considering out of all of us i am the only one actually fighting this war...
i am not anti-arab... i am not anti-jew. i am not anti-american by any means either.
it seems many of you just like to attack bush quickly without even thinking about what is going on here. many of you seem to forget that in my country, one man cannot do all these things single-handedly, we have a system of checks-and-balances.... which means, if bush suggested it, there were a couple of hundred people in congress who agreed....
what many of you fail to see here, is that this is not "just a popularity exercise" for bush... Saddam Hussein has been bluntly breaking UN rules since he's been in power. During desert storm circa 1990, the first bush did not eradicate Saddam from power, strictly because the US had been granted authority by the UN (which is comprised of people from all of YOUR nations, by the way) to go into Iraq and invade and do whatever means necessary until the UN would be permitted to continue with inspections... This "war" was carried out quickly and the UN inspections were opened again before Saddam was captured, and that is why he was not taken care of the first time around.
Now, for all you Saddam sympathizers, let me let you in on a little secret... this man will put his own starving civillians AROUND his weapons depots, and around his chemical warfare manufacturing facilities, JUST SO the USA doesn't bomb them... he knows we WON'T kill innocent civilians. this man, saddam, has his people surgically altered to look like him, JUST so we can never positively ID him via sniper or what have you... This oh-so-wonderful man you speak of, is one of the only people in the world actively pursuing and creating chemical warfare, something the rest of the world wishes it could "un-invent".
And for all of you who think americans are out to kill innocent people, i tell you its not that innocent when you are out there, and you are trying to complete your mission. You are scouting, and you see a poor mother hunched over her children with no father, kids all screaming. Yes, its sad, but how do you think i feel when she pulls an AK-47 out from under her shawl and points it at me??? is she THEN innocent? if she hadn't have done that, she would have been brought back to our AirBase and given food, a bath, and clothing for herself and her children. Yeah, we are real "monsters"...  I think the real perpetrator here is the corrupted government that tells her that americans are bad, when in reality all we are trying to do is oust the brandish dictator that is making HER life poverty, that is denying HER a chance to succeed and flourish.
*when the government pits the people against a country, and ARMS its people for conflict, then those people that die are NO LONGER "innocent civilians"!!!
a lot of you fail to realize that. what happened on september 11th of last year WAS innocent people dying... all the people in that building were not carrying weapons with the intent to kill anyone. However, in the case of my aforementioned mission, that is NOT an innocent victim.
i can cite back to the vietnam war, all the viet-kongs that were dressed as civilians... it was nearly impossible for us to tell who was the enemy... but we wouldn't shoot unless they shot first..
most of you would be singing an entirely different tune right now if your country had been attacked. If Hussein had dropped some chem-warfare on your country, i bet you'd be cheering Bush on. In a sense this is "preventative warfare", because we are attempting to prevent a crazed dictator from creating a genocide or another world war.
now answer me this you pseudo-philosophers:
if you knew that an irrational man was creating large amounts of chemical warfare, purchasing many nuclear weapons, has a history of belligerence, and seems to be "stocking up" in his weapons depots while at the same time DENYING the UN inspectors the ability to go searching through them, don't you think you'd be suspicious?
and don't tell me that saddam has just now recently allowed the UN inspectors to search... thats a bunch of B.S.... Saddam was re-locating all his weapons during that time the UN was not allowed to pass. Now they are all stored in civilian housing and schools. Yes, you heard me correct, SCHOOLS. What kind of noble leader stores nuclear warheads next to chalkboards? The kind you want to take out of power.
don't question what i've stated here, its all fact i've seen with my own eyes. Take from this what you will, but its a damn mess over there. many of you think you "know it all" b/c you read the paper or watched CNN... or maybe your class in school "discussed" it. But if you haven't been over there, then i don't feel you have a real valid arguement here.
... and it all comes down to propaganda and religious wars.
-ABT-
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Peace.
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Oct-05-2002 01:53
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