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In regard to Yoepus' post
| quote: | | From what I know all you have done is speculative conjecture. You have to make a point here not me! You made a claim that Israel is state sponsoring terrorism, and although you have defined the words you have not brought the facts that prove this. |
No, you claimed that the Israeli government was not conducting state sponsored terrorism, where is your backup?
| quote: | | As you see in your own Etymology of the word terror, its main historical link of use is back to the French revolution. |
Yes, and as you can see this etymology dictionary states that the Jewish were the pioneers of modern terrorism
“Karma” has a strong case if you compare it to Israel
| quote: | | I believe it would be much the same. |
No, it wouldn't. It is western government's hypocritical double standards that are the main antagonists of peace. What makes us so indignantly righteous that we can dictate what is right and what is wrong, and make it only apply to certain countries, races and cultures?
| quote: | | And this proves that the Israeli government are terrorists how? |
It represents the Israeli government intimidating Israel's citizens by making a deterrent example of a patriot who spoke out against them.
| quote: | | terror: The characterized use of order and planning of an act of aggression to intimidate a weaker person to try and make them do something or cause them to do through pressure on socities or government. The above is your definition, in your other words. |
Terror and terrorism are quite different words, notice the suffix “ism” What was the point of the last English lesson I conducted when you cannot differentiate between terror and terrorism...
| quote: | | You see we can't say they are doing A) Using order and planning and therefore they meet 1 of 3, and now they use agression so they do two of three.. and therefore come to conclusion. And they use pressure to get things done, and so magic they are terrorist. |
Exactly, a terrorist plans attacks of aggression to intimidate, these terrorist acts are called “targeted deterrence” The IDF also plan attacks of aggression in order to intimidate the Palestinian people, denying this you are denying that the Israeli government has any strategy tactics or plans and does not commit any acts of violence against the Palestinian people.
| quote: | | So now like I said in my former post which you obviously did think a minute about, you have to prove that Israel when using its violence in systematic fashion is primarly coercing or intimidating the Palestinians. |
I obviously thought a minute about it? Hehe, are you so shallow that you get shitty when i pull apart an argument that took you hours to create in a ten minutes? wadc 
| quote: | | This is the missing point of your argument. I still have found none. If you mean that Israel is acting illegal then you must be joking, illegal action does not make it terrorism. |
So you have finally accepted Israel is acting illegally, Nazi Germany acted illegally, the planned use of violence towards a racially distinct group is terrorism, but i guess you are trying to defend regimes like the Likud and Nazi parties
| quote: | | Israeli violence that says they are using violence only for revenge or to make Palestinian life miserable, but not for other means which one might use violence for, such as say, secuirty. |
Palestinian freedom fighters are also acting out of security, what would happen if the International Solidarity Movement and the International Media were not stationed in Israel, the IDF would not hold anything back, they know the war is fought in the media and not on the battlefield, we would have a situation like Chechnya or Aceh.
| quote: | | I'm sure you are correct, any child would understand it as a child has no logic or developed rational to comprehend your words and put them into the context they belong, leaving your argument open and pointless. |
That is why i displayed some colourful pictures, just like in a child's picture book, of Palestine pillaged, and their people raped. Every picture represents a point i made and delineate's Israeli “targeted deterrence” aka “state sponsored terrorism”
| quote: | | Where'd human rights come into question? Always vering off topic are we? In your definition it does not say that if one does not believe in human rights he is a terrorist, or if one does not respect human rights he is a terrorist. Simply saying they violate human rights will not get you there. |
Yes, you have made it quite clear that only Jewish and Caucasian human rights mean anything in todays world, disregard any other races, they are barely human after all...
| quote: | | This makes sense, say my enemy is using their protected ambulances to ferry troops and ammunition to the frontlines so my army does not attack them. Since they have violated the contract and the protection of such units, I have no moral or legal responsibility to abide by this contract, and may now target ambulances as any other enemy military vehicle. |
Ever heard of the saying “It all began with begin”? Think about that for a while, I hope I have underestimated you and there is a brain somewhere in there..
| quote: | | So even though it is a bad definition, and I agree it is fairly vague. If you stick to systematic (of the system or purpose) of violence to coerce or intimidate you still can do a pretty good job of defending someone as a not being a terrorist. |
Heh, and you have contradicted yourself yet again, any of the Freedom Fighter / Terrorist cells within Palestine believe they are acting in their countries best interest, they systematically plan violence in an attempt to intimidate the Israeli Government. They are branded terrorists because they are Arabs, if they were Jewish or Caucasoid it would be perfectly justified.
Look at the Israeli government's euphemism for State Sponsored Terrorism - “Targeted Deterrence” targeted implies planning, deterrence is synonymous with intimidation, And what happens when you are targeted? Extrajudicial assassination, an act of aggression...
Freedom: The condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints
Fighter: Someone who fights for a cause
What is the difference between the Israeli government and Iraq's pre-war government?
St Augustine tells the story of a conversation between Alexander the Great and a pirate he captured.
"How dare you molest the seas?" asks Alexander.
"How dare you molest the whole world?" the pirate replies. "Because I do it with a little ship only, I am called a thief. You, doing it with a great navy, are called an emperor."
edit: s/"or a"/" " 5th last paragraph
Last edited by tathi on Aug-28-2003 at 15:55
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