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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN: i suggest you do research outside the incredibly biased and dishonest work you will find at those shitty 911 troofer sites. have you actually listened to the NORAD tapes? there certainly wasn't any "stand down" orders. they are the best evidence to show how chaotic and confusing that day actually was. the problem with people like you is that you take too much "research" from these sites too seriously, without doing any work on the other side of the argument, which isnt intellectually honest. in reference to your last question, from memory, there were only 16 jets in the whole country that could be scrambled on that day. do you know there were available jets at the much closer airbase ready for this kind of duty? in other words, how about approaching the questions from both sides rather than swallowing the nonsense conspiracy theorists make up as they go along? listen to the tapes, they're available on the vanity fair or rolling stone sites (cant remember which one, sorry).

Nonsense? You mean like you rallying the COR to invade an emo forum? LOL. Yes, nonsense indeed. I'm quite aware that a lot of the 9/11 sites post way too many silly conspiracy theories to take seriously. But every now and then, they do make a few good points which are actually worth looking into. You accuse me of not hearing the other side, but you fail to notice that I live in America, and have heard plenty of dismissal from "the other side," the politicians, the mainstream media, and conservative talk show hosts like Hannity and Limbaugh. Yes, I've heard enough from "the other side."

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov: According to its website, Andrews Air Force Base is home to mostly operations and mission support craft like transports, etc. There is one fighter wing of F-16's, but they are all Air National Guard planes, so they wouldn't typically be on standby status. So there's your refutation on why they didn't scramble jets out of Andrews.

Really? Because I have another archived page which clearly states the goals of the 113th Wing Unit that was stationed at Andrews Air Force Base.

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20010306...l/wg_units.html

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Training for air combat and operational airlift for national defense is the 113 this primary mission. However, as part of its dual mission, the 113th provides capable and ready response forces for the District of Columbia in the event of natural disaster or civil emergency. Members also assist local and federal law enforcement agencies in combating drug trafficking in the District of Columbia.

I might be crazy, but I would guess that a hijacked airliner flying around restricted air space in DC might be considered a "civil emergency."

Those F-16's you say that are typically on stand-by status, must have still been active that day, because the telegraph reported that F-16's at Andrews did indeed take off but only after the Pentagon was already hit.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...ia16.xml&page=2

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Within minutes of the attack American forces around the world were put on one of their highest states of alert - Defcon 3, just two notches short of all-out war - and F-16s from Andrews Air Force Base were in the air over Washington DC.

But I suppose you need a source from an official military web site, so here's a link to a military site again stating the core mission and vision of the 113th Wing in Andrews Air Force Base

Source: http://www.dcandr.ang.af.mil/units/113wg/index.htm

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Our mission is to be Capital Guardians who provide our nation fighter, airlift and support forces capable of global employment, to provide air sovereignty forces to defend the Nation’s Capital, to employ our forces with mastery and lethality, if required, and to enhance the community with support and good will.

So yes, it is their job to protect Washington DC from any form of attack, yet they failed to do so because they weren't given orders to deploy until after the Pentagon was already hit.

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Originally posted by Zharen Nonsense? You mean like you rallying the COR to invade an emo forum? LOL.

wow, what a compelling and relevant argument!

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Yes, nonsense indeed. I'm quite aware that a lot of the 9/11 sites post way too many silly conspiracy theories to take seriously. But every now and then, they do make a few good points which are actually worth looking into. You accuse me of not hearing the other side, but you fail to notice that I live in America, and have heard plenty of dismissal from "the other side," the politicians, the mainstream media, and conservative talk show hosts like Hannity and Limbaugh. Yes, I've heard enough from "the other side."

if that were really the case, you wouldn't be asking moronic questions about the state of america's air defenses on that day would you? go listen to the NORAD tapes and see if you cant learn a thing or two, rather than making bad assumptions based upon your own logic rather than how things worked in the real world at the time.

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if that were really the case, you wouldn't be asking moronic questions about the state of america's air defenses on that day would you? go listen to the NORAD tapes and see if you cant learn a thing or two, rather than making bad assumptions based upon your own logic rather than how things worked in the real world at the time.

Horrific reply.

Figures, you where just owned by Zharen with facts.

Talk about HUGE

Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job

Man who set up Operation Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad


Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies. Cossiga was elected President of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992. Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they coined "false flag operations," terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition. Cossiga's revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley's book as stating that "The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.


http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_...3ba99c53b.shtml

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Originally posted by culorut Talk about HUGE Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job Man who set up Operation Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies. Cossiga was elected President of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985. Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992. Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they coined "false flag operations," terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition. Cossiga's revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus. In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security." Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation. "[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan." Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley's book as stating that "The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.” Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist. http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_...3ba99c53b.shtml

pretty bold accusations..... you wouldn't, by chance, have any actual evidence of any of this, or is this just more newspaper articles quoting hearsay.....

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp pretty bold accusations..... you wouldn't, by chance, have any actual evidence of any of this, or is this just more newspaper articles quoting hearsay.....

HEARSAY: the corner stone of any CT's nutritious breakfast.

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Originally posted by LazFX HEARSAY: the corner stone of any CT's nutritious breakfast.

May i have a sip of your tasty beverage to wash this bullshit down?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp pretty bold accusations..... you wouldn't, by chance, have any actual evidence of any of this, or is this just more newspaper articles quoting hearsay.....

It's printed in Italy's national newspaper and the former President of the same country is telling you straight up that the official 9/11 story is BULLSHIT.

Figures a couple of retarded posts/pictures would follow in reply to the story. Other than actually proving the claims wrong from someone that actually holds some merit on a global scale you guys show how incredibly worthless your side of the argument really is.

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Originally posted by culorut It's printed in Italy's national newspaper and the former President of the same country is telling you straight up that the official 9/11 story is BULLSHIT. Figures a couple of retarded posts/pictures would follow in reply to the story. Other than actually proving the claims wrong from someone that actually holds some merit on a global scale you guys show how incredibly worthless your side of the argument really is.

you didn't even understand his question

he means, other than the former president's words, do you actually have any EVIDENCE? in case you're confused, his opinions arent evidence.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you didn't even understand his question he means, other than the former president's words, do you actually have any EVIDENCE? in case you're confused, his opinions arent evidence.

i thought my question was quite clear.... apparently not...... i used big words such as hearsay, this, and any.... lesson learned..... i will use ms paint to convey my message in the future....

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?