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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN thanks for saving me the time Q5! and yes, he was merely mocking the centre left in his own country. the most telling difference between the articles is that the prisonplanet version replaces (something like) "the left in italy" with "intelligence services in europe" which is just more dishonesty. what is also removed from the troofer version is him talking about a soon to be released exclusive video that pieces 9/11 together and shows the US was behind it. no video of course has surfaced, cossiga is merely mocking the progressives in the country. cossiga is a centre-right in case nobody knew. that's an interesting comment coming from someone that posts an incorrect and incomplete translation from prisonplanet or similar, and takes it at face value without checking up on it first. tsk tsk. everybody in italy knew what cossiga was saying, its only the 911 americans that are struggling. all that stuff that is added about "an honest politician" is just nonsense, as evidenced by his role in the blakops of NATO that he helped set up. ive been waiting for a retraction from cossiga to end all doubt for your side, but im still waiting. dont worry, when and if it comes you'll be the first to know!

Christ... APF is NOT "prison planet." That was just Q and his typical antics. Please don't stay out of my interaction with Q, it doesn't concern you and I'm only warning you once. Don't blame me for treating you equally harshly next time.
Secondly, it's an APF atricle and the full quote didn't really change a thing about the "selective wording" in the APF article. These prison planet/tin foil hat/conspiracy nut/whatever non sequiturs aren't only getting old and midly irritating, but you're also initiating a noticable decline in the quality of discourse and dragging it down further than the standard already is around here. Don't bitch about it later after provocing a sharp response to begin with to something that was nothing more than a mere comment or post. Talk about reactionary responses. If you want to be a troll, that up to you.

On a more positive note, I fianlly got done with that damn project and my code is working flawlessly .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Christ... APF is NOT "prison planet." That was just Q and his typical antics.

that article you posted came out almost verbatim across all the usual conspiracy sites, and contains a number of omissions and dubious insertions.

like so much of the troother movement it is incredibly selective. i have seen a number of italian translations online, that include the pre and post sentences as well, and it is abundantly clear that cossiga is not saying what the truthers are saying he is.

and even if their version was completely accurate, someone's accustions still arent evidence.

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Please don't stay out of my interaction with Q, it doesn't concern you and I'm only warning you once. Don't blame me for treating you equally harshly next time.

hahaha. im a big boy, and you know i give as good as i get. you don't need to warn me. i like you shaolin, and ill pretty much forgive anything that you say, as long as i am forgiven in return.

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Secondly, it's an APF atricle and the full quote didn't really change a thing about the "selective wording" in the APF article.

as above. someone in the APF are simply guilty of being lazy. the actual translation, like Q5's removes the "common knowledge amongst euro intel services" that 911 was committed by mossad and the CIA" which is how it first appeared IIRC. the AFP article also omits the crucial part of the gist of the entire speech; that concerning his obvious attacks on the left in his country.

its just dishonest nonsense, and the AFP should know better than to copy paste their news.

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These prison planet/tin foil hat/conspiracy nut/whatever non sequiturs aren't only getting old and midly irritating, but you're also initiating a noticable decline in the quality of discourse and dragging it down further than the standard already is around here.

well, im sorry but that's just where we are at this stage of the debate. if i get to be called a sheeple, a shill, a psy-op operative (and seriously, that's the most retarded thing anyone has ever said to me!) an ignorant fool, a mindless consumer etc, then we have our names too

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Don't bitch about it later after provocing a sharp response to begin with to something that was nothing more than a mere comment or post.

haha. im not gonna bitch about anything. draw your attention to things sure, but i know im no angel, especially these days.

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Talk about reactionary responses. If you want to be a troll, that up to you.

like i said, that's just where we're at on 911 these days. im tired and sick of the disingenuous "evidence" people keep proclaiming as the latest smoking gun.

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On a more positive note, I fianlly got done with that damn project and my code is working flawlessly .

haha, good from you! can i accuse you of writing code to break into national databases and have you laugh with me?

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I also love the fact that there's completel silence over Mossad agents recording and celebrating the twin tower collapse, who were consequently arrested by the FBI only to be ordered to be released the next day to return to Israel. "What the fuck where you doing?" "Uhh, we were ummm... 'documenting' the event." Yeah... right... ******s. Even Fox fucking News ran this story and it was, ofcourse, pulled off the air and their website the very next day. But... just move along, nothing to see here lol. Only one nation has benefited enourmously from 9-11 so far, Israel. So yes, it's not exactly an "inside job."

EDIT: Another interesting coincidence is how Mossad agents were trailing the supposed hijackers months before 9-11.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I also love the fact that there's completel silence over Mossad agents recording and celebrating the twin tower collapse, who were consequently arrested by the FBI only to be ordered to be released the next day to return to Israel. "What the fuck where you doing?" "Uhh, we were ummm... 'documenting' the event." Yeah... right... ******s. Even Fox fucking News ran this story and it was, ofcourse, pulled off the air and their website the very next day. But... just move along, nothing to see here lol. Only one nation has benefited enourmously from 9-11 so far, Israel. So yes, it's not exactly an "inside job." EDIT: Another interesting coincidence is how Mossad agents were trailing the supposed hijackers months before 9-11.

well, at least this post is 100x more important and compelling than some disingeuous non-sequitur that has been explained a billion times, like trancer-x idiotic gif ^^

i mean, how retarded do you have to be to post nonsense like that?

though really shaolin, i cant see israel planning an attack on their only ally in the whole world

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, at least this post is 100x more important and compelling than some disingeuous non-sequitur that has been explained a billion times, like trancer-x idiotic gif ^^ i mean, how retarded do you have to be to post nonsense like that? though really shaolin, i cant see israel planning an attack on their only ally in the whole world

But Israel already has in the past, and completely gotton away with it

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=&pagenumber=19

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ght=USS+Liberty

http://www.gtr5.com/



The crew members have only been trying to bring the issue to light for 40+ years and actually see justice servred. The "Jewish" or Israeli lobby rather has a pretty firm grip over this nation. Israel is also the only nation on earth to get away with a war crime against US personel and an act of War. The reason why it's so easy to silence any issue regarding Israel or anything remotely "Jewish" is because just about everyone is scared shitless to be labeled and crucified as an "anti-semite." As far as politics go, that's a stain you can never really wash off. As long as people don't get over the holocaust guilt complex, Israel / Zionist Jews have plenty of leverage they will continue to use and abuse.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

@ PKC: I have to admit, the one thing that really bothered me about the "inside job" theory was not that I didn't thing the power that be in Washington aren't cruel and evil enough to orchestrate something like that, but the fact that it takes a LOT of balls and political will to do something that risky.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

thanks for that shaolin, that was really interesting. still, it doesn't explain how israel managed to swindle osama and his 19 hijackers into thinking it was their own plan

and im still far from convinced that israel would mount such an attack as we saw on 911. not against the US. not credible imo.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Thirdly, maybe a half-cocked retard like yourself can't comprehend something this simple, but there's no direct correlation between not being a neocon whore and visiting prisonplanet.com. Perhaps you didn't understand it that time eigther, so let me clarify it for you once again; your childish stereo-types are not only false but also quite unoriginal and boring. Now run along and go back to being Dick and Bush's tool.

thats great and all but the clear fact is now that if it wasn't for, basically two complete strangers like me and PKC, you'd still be parroting the troother lost-in-translation line that Francesco Cossiga was describing himself. i mean how fuckin maleable are you dude?

troothers, man, i swear. you wanna talk about being someone's tool

informationclearinghouse.com owns yoo.

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I35
NEVER FORGET...NO PLANE HIT THIS BRIDGE!!!

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Originally posted by Q5echo rebuttal: I35 NEVER FORGET...NO PLANE HIT THIS BRIDGE!!!

Hey Q, I'd like to challenge you to take a look at the other side of the argument for the things you believe (in this case rather exoteric...) and come up with a good reason why it COULD be true.

And I'd also like to challenge Trancer to come with some reasons why these events might be just as we've been told, and that conspiracies are unfortunate offsprings of the haphazard nature of the event.

All I really know right now is that my government somehow allowed my hometown (or what once was...) to be subjected to a VERY rudimentary "attack" not once, but twice. I mean, I was standing on the roof of my building when the second airplane hit the second tower... it's just unbelievable.

It really just goes to show just how confused and unprepared we really are for any number of a myriad of possible "issues" that could threaten our stability both as a nation and a species. Hurricane Katrina was icing on the cake, since it's the same exact level of unpreparedness replaying itself, except without the ability to point fingers at the cause.

I don't know guys. What's the deal?

Why are we ramping up security so intensely in the homeland if these things are still happening?

I was driving home a few weeks ago down route 1 and saw a burned up bus in the middle of the road, that looked like it had been blown up by a bomb... it wasn't even on the news or in the local papers.

Do we have reason to be afraid because the government is so inept and so ready to withhold information from us?

Where do we draw the line between information we need to know and information we don't? Who is drawing this line, and are they really as uneducated as the events would paint them to be?

Give me some hope!

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Originally posted by Q5echo rebuttal: I35 NEVER FORGET...NO PLANE HIT THIS BRIDGE!!!

Did they find molten metal in the sub-basement of that bridge six weeks after it's collapse?



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