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| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
Please look at these two articles again and tell me there is no scientific methods, and that they weren't from PhD/MDs. I am yet to see any "evidence" to the contrary done in a controlled, scientific manner that would have me believe otherwise. I have heard very much rhetoric, with little to no substance. If this truly is not the case, and circumcision is such an obvious tragedy and detriment to human health, where is the overwhelming evidence from leading scientific researchers? Where is there proof from any throughly performed scientific research? It is easy to say that I am wrong, but I am still waiting for any evidence of that.
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/to/
http://www.lib.umich.edu/taubman/re...choenEdgarJ.pdf |
Both studies completely fail to establish the slightest semblance of causality.
First of all, neither experiment conforms to the scientific method by possessing a single variable. Furthermore, both draw conclusions based on fallacious post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning.
Dividing people up into two groups, and drawing conclusions based upon different frequencies of some event between the two groups is not science. If it were, it would be scientific fact that black people are genetically prone to commit crimes, living in Africa lowers your IQ, and having a penis reduces your risk of breast cancer. None of these are facts.
No one, upon objectively analyzing the data presented in either study, could come to the scientific conclusion that circumcision has medical benefits. It does not follow from the supporting body of evidence.
That's why the UTI studies have been classified as a miserable failure by the vast majority of the medical community.
http://faculty.washington.edu/gcd/C...N/v1n1.html#ab6
http://www.circumcision.org/benefits.htm
http://www.menweb.org/circintr.htm
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/altschul/
http://www.acsh.org/publications/pr...904/circno.html
http://www.eskimo.com/~gburlin/mgm/facts.html
The list just goes on and on.
I have repeatedly and directly refuted the specific and inherently flawed methodology of the UTI/circumcision studies both by personally pointing out the fallacious reasoning which underlies these studies and by posting a myriad of links to the work of qualified professionals who have analyzed the data and also drawn the veracious conclusion that it does not support the hypothesis that circumcision reduces the risk of UTI. I have demonstrated the complete and utter failure of that research to establish any relationship whatsoever between urinary tract infections and circumcision. I have categorically and overwhelmingly refuted each and every argument which anyone has attempted to make in favor of this barbaric procedure.
Medical research indicates that circumcision produces no demonstrable benefit almost unilaterally. The few exceptions are demonstrably flawed, and I, as well as many others, have demonstrated their flaws time and time again. You can choose to ignore the truth - for whatever reason - and continue to believe that circumcision is a beneficial procedure despite the dearth of credible evidence to support that hypothesis. Alternately, you can choose to educate yourself about the reality of the procedure and realize the simple fact that, like all other forms of genital mutilation, it is a cruel, barbaric, and disgusting procedure which produces no benefit whatsoever, and which perpetuates itself only through cultural and religious tradition and widespread ignorance - such as your own. The choice is yours. I have neither the ability nor the desire to force your eyes open so that you can recognize the obvious truth of the matter. I have provided you with the resources necessary if you are genuinely interested in uncovering the truth about the purported UTI/circumcision relationship. You can use them and learn, or ignore them and remain ignorant.
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you live in a country with one of the highest murder rates. 
