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Originally posted by bagguley In response to the point about the money.. this is not about the artist who made the track... they are not putting £100's into pressing / mastering / promoting etc etc.. it's us.. the small record labels who do it. Andy

I don't know what exactly you tried to say here but if I understood you right you're just as bad as robber barron. Artists who made the track spent thousands of dollars on equipment, thousands of hours on mastering the equipment and producing the track, and you're the poor soul who got cut out of your profits? Hey, I hear you - you don't make money, artist doesn't make money... it's all understood. But at the same time to say that you're out of money and imply that artist isn't is just ignorant.

Dude, I have invested over $20,000 into my studio and have yet to see a dime from it. I don't have any expectation of making a penny from my music and that's why it wouldn't bother me if someone took my track and distributed it.

I personaly favor the concept of tipping for music. If people like my tunes and decide to pay for it - great. I don't expect to make a living making music. If you or anyone else for that matter enters this highly-competitive arena with an expectation to become a sensation, another Paul Van Dyk or Oakie or whatnot, they need a serious reality check.

You chose this work to make your living knowing damn well that you're not exempt from all the risks the big boys face. They only have deeper pockets and can sustain a lot more damage.

Sorry if I sound like an ass but that's my opinion.

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Originally posted by Frase The fact of the matter is that if it werent for the labels you wouldnt hear the tunes today. They provide the medium it comes out on. Do yourself a favour, do a little more research into the logistics and come back and present your opinion with some common sense and some intelligence. Because you lack both currently.

Medium? So labels are the ways for me to get my music burned on to a CD? What about slapping the label on the CD, who do I need to use for that?

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My question always was how the people who rip the tracks sleep at night, I mean you are techincally doing something illegal.

don't be pathetic... do you or have you ever downloaded an illegal mp3? (unless you live on south pole, i'm pretty sure about your answer). now, do you sleep good at night?

the rip groups are not to blame. they always were and always will be, and nobody can do a single fucking thing about that in the nearest future. a label that blames rip groups is the one which cannot adjust its business processes and finds it easier to blame for its losses on someone else.

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Originally posted by BigTongue I've been a member on tranceaddict since day one... i remember before they even had a forum here this site was just a small mp3 site, offering trance tracks... I find it Ironic mp3 bashers are trying to spread the word about anti mp3, and promoting their record label, on a site that for over a year dealt with pretty much just mp3 downloads....

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Originally posted by nrjizer There's not always a free listen. Maybe for you, in London, which was pretty much ground zero when this whole rave thing started. You've got Radio 1, and probably no shortage of vinyl shops. It's ignorant to assume that everyone has some legal means to preview a track before they buy it. There hasn't been a CD store with a listening post around here for at least 10 years. Not to mention their selection consists of 95% dime-a-dozen protools compiliations and recycled Ibiza anthem CDs. EDM got zero radio and TV exposure. There wasn't a vinyl shop anywhere close - I didn't even own a turntable.

I'm sorry to say this, but where do you live ? (Just a joke) I take your point that facilities are not the same everywhere but now you do have the option of hearing a tune before you decide to buy it.

MP3 is now the driving force in internet development. The internet advances around content on the net. It's simply another medium for entertainment.

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Originally posted by Subey The issue here for a lot of people isn't that filesharing is free. We are not idiots. We like the music, and we want to support the people who make it. The issue is access. Look say people are raving about song X. How do I get to hear it? Well I can try and track it down in a liveset. Scan the liveset for wherever the song is located and then listen to it. If I want to listen to it again because it was interesting, then I have to hunt around for the start of it etc. Now let's assume after a couple of listens I decide that this song is worthy of ownership. I WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY. What can I do? Option 1: Wait X months for it to appear on vinyl. Option 2: Wait X months for it to appear on a cd compilation. Yes in 1510-1995 a compilation or vinyl was a legitimate way of distributing music BUT I hate to break it to all you vinyl/cd lovers out there... PHYSICAL DISTRIBUTION OF MUSIC SUCKS! If I want a cd then honestly I can handle the 50 cents and 2 minutes it takes to make one on my computer... Its the age of bits and bytes, and as filesharing so obviously proves INTERNET DISTRIBUTION is the ONLY option. ANY, I repeat ANY attempt to compete with Internet Distribution with some form of PHYSICAL distribution is ludicrous. If you don't agree with that then get out of the thread, cause that very fact is the reason this thread exists! *** If you want my business. And i'm very willing to spend a couple hundred bucks a year on music then this is one suggestion as to how to get it. 1) You offer every song immediately for FREE in 96kps format... the second its released on promo. If people are talking about a song, then there is absolutely no reason why I should have to find it in a live set, or wait till the next episode of ASOT is on in the hopes its played. That's dinosaur thinking. You have a song that is supposed to be good, then let me listen to it without any hassles. There is no reason why I should have to jump through any hoops to try your product. 2) You offer every song immediately for a FAIR PRICE in a high bit rate (pop songs go for .99 cents as a comparison) the second its released on promo. Again, why should I have to wait any time to give you money once your music is out there? How do I benefit by being forced to only hear your music on the radio? Or by being forced to wait 6 months and buy it with 9 other songs I could care less about. That's dinosaur logic. I've tasted your product. I like what I've tasted so let me buy the damned thing. 3) You do 1 and 2 at one convenient website where I don't have to worry about hunting around between different labels trying to figure out who is offering the song and who isn't. *** That's the only logical solution. Your competing with ACCESS and PRICE. Physical distribution will NEVER compete with access so its pointless to look for solutions there, and by definition physical distribution costs more than digital so its a lose lose proposition. Ignore that logic at your own peril...

It comes down to the old point.....

I want a Ford Mustang GT40 but i have to wait 3-6 months before its released in the UK.

So because i dont want to wait, im going to go out and steal the nearest one i can find.

See, your theory works on paper, but the majority of people are impatient. Their has to promotion of the track and hype. Hence the delay in hearing it to it being available to purchase.

The problem here ISNT the labels, its the mp3 groups who think the whole scene revolves around them, with their so called 'releases' thinking that themselves are their own record label.

When people realise that the problem lies not with the record labels, but with the filesharing & release groups then maybe people will start to agree more and work with labels.

Once this problem goes you might see a change in the way music is released by labels, maybe even quicker release dates from when you hear this. But this is down to DJ's overkilling the track more to the label itself handing out the promos

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Originally posted by Frase I want a Ford Mustang GT40 but i have to wait 3-6 months before its released in the UK. So because i dont want to wait, im going to go out and steal the nearest one i can find.

Lol
i made the same analogy but with an E class AMG merc a few pages back

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Originally posted by Frase It comes down to the old point..... I want a Ford Mustang GT40 but i have to wait 3-6 months before its released in the UK.

There is no such vehicle as a Ford Mustang GT40. There are the original Ford GT40 Race Cars (The 289 powered Mark I, 427 powered Mark II and the 427 powered Mark IV with extensive body modifications), the original GT40 Road Cars (the 289 powered Mark III) and the soon to be produced Ford GT powered by a blown 5.4L DOHC version of Fords modular V8.

The Mustang has nothing to do with the GT40. The only time GT40 is used in reference to a Mustang is when you talk about a specific type of aftermarket cast iron cylinder heads for five-oh powered Fox Body ('79-93) Mustangs called well... GT40 cylinder heads.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic you could look at it as a good thing tooo... look how many people have in the post by nell in his screen shot..i am sure some of em are leechers and some of em are djs who would by the vinyl and recommend it to others, where if it wasnt spread nobody will know it and hence buy it. take me for example, i hear the track from the hub and i go oh cool, this track would be good in a gig or whatever and buy it. but if it wasnt for the hub, how the hell will i know about it? if it is a quality track you shouldnt have anything to worry about..if it is crap and u dont want people to know then thats another story.

a dj, friend of mine does just that. I usually get him the promo's in mp3 he plays them for a while and then buys the vinyl when its finally out. some he doesn't because he simply didn't like them but if you think about its those that he wouldn't have bought in the first place. I agree that not everyone is as responsible but there are a lot of dj's out there like him. maybe its not exactly legal but in my opinion it is ethical. the only benefit he gets is to experiment with tracks before he could buy them.

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Originally posted by bruddahmanmatt There is no such vehicle as a Ford Mustang GT40. There are the original Ford GT40 Race Cars (The 289 powered Mark I, 427 powered Mark II and the 427 powered Mark IV with extensive body modifications), the original GT40 Road Cars (the 289 powered Mark III) and the soon to be produced Ford GT powered by a blown 5.4L DOHC version of Fords modular V8. The Mustang has nothing to do with the GT40. The only time GT40 is used in reference to a Mustang is when you talk about a specific type of aftermarket cast iron cylinder heads for five-oh powered Fox Body ('79-93) Mustangs called well... GT40 cylinder heads.

FFS Ok Smart Arse, I was using the car as an example. Apologies for adding the word mustang.

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oh this also goes for the movies too..

movies premiere in cinema's in the US a month before the rest of the world can watch them. whats the effect of this? piracy!

here you get bombarded with movie trailers and "the making of" shows for months before you can finally go see for yourself while at the same time people in another part of the world can enjoy them.

then you see the studios wondering how their movie got on the internet the day after its premiere. I'd rather go pay 5 quid and watch the damn thing than wait 3 days to get it downloaded at a mediocre quality but guess what? I am not given the option to pay for it.

right or wrong.. this is how things are.

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With a weekly radio show on Ministry of Sound, All A&B have to do is play thier promos on the air to get recognition by the general public. They ask for emails while they are on so that they can get opinion about what they are playing. I see no better position to be in to promote your own stuff...

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I do not like to fileshare,
I will not download any pair,
I do not like green eggs and ham,
I do not like them,
Sam I am.

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Fank you, fank you!!!

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