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Originally posted by Shakka There are plenty of pro-war "liberals" and there are plenty of gay "conservatives" and gay-friendly "conservatives". Just goes to show that you can't really pigeon hole anybody these days! In the end, one issue is just one issue, and it's degree of importance is a subjective issue to be determined by the individual. i.e. Some things mean more to some people than they do to others.

Yes that is why labeling a person sucks. Because just when you think you got them figured out they throw in a view that completely contradicts the label.

I also am not a fan of throwing the ideologies around to degrade one side or the other. Its hard not to do, but I think it makes an argument more legitimate when you leave ideology out and just argue from a personal perspective.

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aw the vid link doesnt work.....btw bush is a dumbass mofo

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Originally posted by NYGblue Sure I suppose I am left leaning. I use to be what many consider a conservative. But views change. I am also aware of the fact that specific issues don't qualify someone as a conservative neccesarily. But being pro-war is a conservative stance as is anti-gay beliefs. I would also like to point out that your definition of conservative is more liberatarian. I know you probably would rather shoot yourself than be nailed with that label. But its a fact. I ain't even going to touch the Iraq debate and its correlation to freedom. That will degrade this whole thread into more bullshit.

It's true that many conservatives tend to be pro-Iraq war and tend to believe in the sanctity of traditional marriage as an institution. The way you worded your phrase was as if to say "conservatives are war-mongering homophobic bigots." I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that's not what you meant. There are many prominent (republican) conservatives that are anti-Iraq war (ie Pat Buchanan) and pro-gay marriage (Dick Cheney).

It's true that the conservatism I adhere to would be a pro-libertarian, pro-capitalist ideology.

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BOTH bush and kerry suck.

Everyone fails to realize who is really making the decisions in America. The devil is in the details.


Look at our foriegn policy.
Look at our economic policy
Look at out "free" trade policy


Ahhhh ignorance is bliss indeed



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Sooo, who turned out to be right?

Why "fuck Bush"?

He is just an avatar.

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