maybe music that ignores 4/4 all together...like techno waltz

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Originally posted by Ted Promo this thread reminded me how much I miss meneedit.

that's almost a bannable offense

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Originally posted by PETRAN Thing is that many people (including me) always thought of ALL trance coming from the second half of 90s as the wayy-too anthemic/epic type which is clearly not the case.

Definitely. A lot of classic trance labels continued to release trance, that was equally good (and sometimes even better) than pre-95 trance. Superstition, Platipus (Platipus used to licence a lot of records from Superstition in the late 90's), MFS... just to name a few. Not everyone abandoned trance completely. For example, Cal-Q-Lator - Can We Go Now (Cybersexual Remix) released by MFS in 1998 probably kills 90% of tracks released by the same label in 91-95 period. Some other acts that were releasing great trance in the mid and late 90's: Terra Ferma, Humate, Pob, Quadran, Oliver Lieb, Fade, Mijk Van Dijk, The Forth, Marc Mitchell, Quietman...

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Originally posted by sljiva Definitely. A lot of classic trance labels continued to release trance, that was equally good (and sometimes even better) than pre-95 trance. Superstition, Platipus (Platipus used to licence a lot of records from Superstition in the late 90's), MFS... just to name a few. Not everyone abandoned trance completely. For example, Cal-Q-Lator - Can We Go Now (Cybersexual Remix) released by MFS in 1998 probably kills 90% of tracks released by the same label in 91-95 period. Some other acts that were releasing great trance in the mid and late 90's: Terra Ferma, Humate, Pob, Quadran, Oliver Lieb, Fade, Mijk Van Dijk, The Forth, Marc Mitchell, Quietman...

Yep these are all great! What i was specifically saying though was that (IMO) EVEN the anthemic post-95 sound (up to 99), wasn't similar to the 99+ super-saw dutch sound, or the british Epic-Trance records that appeared in the end of the 90s such us "Greece 2000", "El Nino", "Synaesthesia", "Saltwater" etc. and started to dominate the scene. I recently gave a listen (after many years) to Tiesto's (wow dirty name!) "Forbidden Paradise 7-deep forest mix"(1998), and except for a few tracks such us "Greece 2000", all the other tracks, which possibly represented the standard anthemic trance of 98, weren't as cheesy and watered-down as the "epic-trance" that we all know now today. Yes, the tracks had clear melodic themes, breakdowns and buildups, but these were not performed by means of fast-paced grooveless beats, super-saw screaming lead-lines and fat pads. They were rather more mid-tempo, groovy, hypnotic, with nice gated melofies which were emotional (not cheesy) and hypnotic ay the same time. Yes, it was not like the classic post-techno trance sound, but neither like the saw circus that dominated the scene after 2000 (blame bloody Ferry Corsten for that!). It was rather between the two and i have to say i like the sound a lot (not as much as Resistance-D though lol).


I mean even if you hear a track like Dj Taucher- "Atlantis" (an anthem of 97 or 98 i can't remember) it is not like the BIG tracks of 99 (like "El Nino", or "Saltwater"),but IMO it is closer to the stuff that Jam and Spoon were doing with pumping beats, acid lines and dreamy riffs. Sadly enough , due to the fact that all these stuff were played by the same djs (ehmm...Tiesto-although he was unknown in 98), people usually mash all these into one category. I personally can't state that sound as "Epic trance", the stuff i mention like Moonman, Transa, Dj Taucher, Razor's Edge, LSG-of that period-the first alliases of tiesto like Hammock Brothers and the first tracks by Allure like "Rejected" etc. plus possibly the stuff you mention like Pob and Humate. In Greece they used to call this second-half-of-90s sound "Euro-Trance" but...whatever.

Last edited by PETRAN on Mar-13-2008 at 00:12

i would give it a js16 remix

Kill it and then allow it to regrow after some years then repeat. Kinda like the in matrix, each time it is essentially the same but there are differences

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Originally posted by nefardec too bad older folks tend to be jaded and not like trance, right?

i think this is wrong. i think you are going on the general shitty vibe in this forum. I know i say how i feel on here, but a large number i can see right through and see they are not saying how they feel, but are just joining the 'disgruntled brigade' because they assume it makes them appear more elite. a large number of british trance listeners are older and i assume other countries in the same musical development are similar. i mean, if 1999 was the biggest year of trance, then the listeners were between 16-25(to be in the clubs really living the year) so add on 9 yrs and you have a minimum age of 24 as people who actually went through the trance year and felt it how it was at its peak.

i think my previous suggestion would make things better. picture a 19yr old using fruity loops. he listens to something he likes and tries to replicate it. through his short life he has not sat through enough musical progession to be able to harness a good base of influence.
Now, take the same guy when he is 25 yrs old... He will have sat through at least two more musical progessions/fads than the 19 yr old.

Now, if you take two different people. one 25 and one 19 yr old. the 25yr old will have heared way more music and is a lot more likely to have an amalgamation of influences. it means he is more likely to create something original.

many will say there are lots of really good producers who are younger, and i agree to some extent. I still think whatever they are doing at 19 will be improved upon if they had those 6 more years experience of music and life, and maybe need to spend proper money to fulfil their demands as a musician.

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Originally posted by ******** If You had the fate of trance in your hand... I would consider more closely that the doctor is right in thinking I am delusional, and resolve why it is just one hand and not two. Make a mantra what is the sound of one hand holding the fate of trance. and meditate closely waiting for a voice from above to guide me, and not tell the doctor what I am doing or why.

Now, thats an epic response...

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Originally posted by ******** If You had the fate of trance in your hand... I would consider more closely that the doctor is right in thinking I am delusional, and resolve why it is just one hand and not two. Make a mantra what is the sound of one hand holding the fate of trance. and meditate closely waiting for a voice from above to guide me, and not tell the doctor what I am doing or why.

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Originally posted by ******** If You had the fate of trance in your hand... I would consider more closely that the doctor is right in thinking I am delusional, and resolve why it is just one hand and not two. Make a mantra what is the sound of one hand holding the fate of trance. and meditate closely waiting for a voice from above to guide me, and not tell the doctor what I am doing or why.

This is effortlessly the best post I've ever read on TA.

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