Registered: Jan 2004
Location: 9 Bywater Street, Chelsea, London
Don't worry people, I've been doing your work for you and have searched around to find reports of oppressive behaviour committed in Venezuela, Amnesty International analyses each country for human rights and has been extremely critical of Venezuela:
It does seem to be fairly characteristic of all Latin American countries and it's worth pointing out that Amnesty was equally (if not more) critical of the regime that came prior to 1999 when Chavez took over (which would be who the opposition in Venezuela want back in). Still, my opinion of Chavez has decreased, tho whether this means he is a dictator is not clear. Police brutality is certainly a characteristic of a dictatorship, but that in itself does not define a dictatorship (as Magnetonium points out accidentally, Putin and Russia can also be accused of dictatorship as often worse things can happen in Russia, certainly if you're a political opponent)
It still doesn't explain why Venezuela is targeted for criticism and not, for example, Columbia which has a far far worse human rights record than Venezuela ever did. It also doesn't explain support for the opposition which would also be far worse than Chavez. Still, human rights are human rights and if Chavez is responsible, and it's not a legacy left over from previous regimes in the law enforcement agencies, then it is still inexcusable and needs stamping out...
(Not that that should detract from the positive improvements Chavez has made compared to how the opposition used to run things...)
Aug-23-2007 22:48
Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Well, since you've been doing your homework, maybe you can explain to the rest of the class what exactly are the positive things Hugo has done?
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Aug-24-2007 01:00
George Smiley
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Renationalising the oil industry (which was already nationalised but had become almost independent of the state) which has led to an increase in revenue to pay for Chavez's social programs.
Mass vaccinations, food distributions, a massive education plan and the constuction of social housing. A far more democratic Constitution was introduced (it was in fact Chavez who introduced the two-term limit on Presidents he now wants to change!). Communities have a hell of a lot more of a say in political life than ever before. The country is more democratic. The previous regime had taken away all legal rights for anyone who lived in three provinces bordering Columbia, Chavez changed that. The Venezuelan media is amongst the freest in the world.
That said, Venezuela is a typical backwards Latin American state with a very poor and lawless population. Police brutality seems to be rife, as it does in most slums in coutries in Latin America. Put it this way - I wouldn't want to live there!
Aug-24-2007 10:22
LazFX
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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: 9th Circle
quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
That said, Venezuela is a typical backwards Latin American state with a very poor and lawless population.
typical?? and you are an ignorant dumpster c*nt!
Aug-24-2007 19:22
George Smiley
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Jan 2004
Location: 9 Bywater Street, Chelsea, London
quote:
Originally posted by LazFX
typical?? and you are an ignorant dumpster c*nt!
Does not every country in South America have a very large poor population? It's hardly a continent full of your typical western style liberal democracies is it? Sorry to offend like, but South America is in the third world for the most part is it not?
Aug-24-2007 19:57
B018
www.house-pacific.com
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Montreal
yes it is
but the GDP of venezuela is the second highest after china
but of course u never read that in the western media
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Well, since you've been doing your homework, maybe you can explain to the rest of the class what exactly are the positive things Hugo has done?
mission miraclo ( free healthcare for anybody in thr world, surgery for free, they pay u the ticket, go ask at the venezuela embassy)
mission mercal ( cheap food for poor people)
mission robinson ( to read and to make illiteracy = 0)
all for free
and many more
getting argentina and many countries rid of IMFFFFFFFF
u remember how imf fucked argentina in 2001
read some books people and stop watching please FOX news or cnn
watch democracy now with amy goodman, or aljazeera english
or TELESUR
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada
B018, you better retract that GDP statement its not true ... you're giving fresh life to the neo-cons on here ...
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Aug-24-2007 23:32
B018
www.house-pacific.com
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Montreal
it is true
this is in 2005
remeber china's growth was 10% that year link
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
quote:
Originally posted by B018
mission miraclo ( free healthcare for anybody in thr world, surgery for free, they pay u the ticket, go ask at the venezuela embassy)
mission mercal ( cheap food for poor people)
mission robinson ( to read and to make illiteracy = 0)
all for free
and many more
getting argentina and many countries rid of IMFFFFFFFF
u remember how imf fucked argentina in 2001
read some books people and stop watching please FOX news or cnn
watch democracy now with amy goodman, or aljazeera english
or TELESUR
real journalism not fake journalism
Sorry to disappoint but I don't watch any news on the one-eyed brain sucker...
BTW...sources??
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"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."
Aug-25-2007 05:25
George Smiley
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Jan 2004
Location: 9 Bywater Street, Chelsea, London
quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Sorry to disappoint but I don't watch any news on the one-eyed brain sucker...
